Talk:Chess expert

Europe
This is in contrast to international titles awarded by FIDE, which are awarded for life. In European countries the term of "expert" is not used.[citation needed] Instead, players of that level are called "Candidate Masters", although the Candidate Master title generally requires a higher rating than a USCF expert.[citation needed] Both these sentences seem to mislead. There used to be a title I think it was British expert. And what exactly is 'players of that level' suppose to mean? It seems to be comparing 2000 USCF to 2200 FIDE. As USCF and Fide don't convert it's someone debatable. I recommend that this article doesn't talk about European countries and what they don't do but sticks to the USCF and what it does do. SunCreator (talk) 02:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Also Candidate Master is from FIDE it's not a european thing and covers approx from 2200. In the UK players in the 2000-2200 range can apply for a 'Regional Master' title, although it's almost never done. SunCreator (talk) 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "Of that level" probably means "just below master designation". (I didn't write it.)  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 03:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

USCF title?
According to this USCF page, for over-the-board play they only award titles of National Master and Senior Master. So there is no real title of USCF Expert. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 03:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea. So expert is not a title but what is is? 'Category' prehaps. The first line of the article is incorrect so I'll amend it. SunCreator (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is just a rating category. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 04:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Senior master
This doesn't exist either. http://main.uschess.org/content/view/7522/393/ Q: Can I achieve a title? A: USCF awards two titles for over-the-board play, National Master which is obtained by reaching a 2200 USCF rating after 26 games and Life Master is obtained by playing 300 games at 2200 or higher. In Correspondence Chess after 25 games you are Established and if your rating is: 2000-2199 the title is Candidate Master, 2200-2399 is Master and 2400+ is Senior Master. See it's only for Correspondence chess. SunCreator (talk) 04:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It may not exist as a title, but at least it is a ratings cateogry, see this. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 04:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Or it may be a title. This mentions someone earning the Senior Master title with a rating of 2400.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 04:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As it says "USCF OTB rating over 2400", it implies there was another rating like a correspondance rating so the Senior master could be correspondance, or perhaps, given that he was a top player from the 60's/70's that it was a USCF title before FIDE introduced FIDE Master? SunCreator (talk) 05:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that Senior Master was a category in the 60s and 70s (and still is). I don't know if it is currently a "title".   I emailed the USCF to find out. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 05:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I asked the USCF. They didn't fully clarify whether or not Senior Master is a title.  However, they said that when they published ratings in the paper Chess Life (as recently as 2007) the Senior Masters were listed seperately.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 21:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)