Talk:Chester Bennington

Protect page?
The page is (or at least was) being vandalized at the time this is written. Should we protect it against anonymous editors? InfinityMiner (talk) 18:27, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * There are reports of his death by many reliable sources yet every update is being reverted instantly. Feels good to be accused of vandalism for trying to help an article --RandomUser3510 (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is great at that indeed
 * I agree that the page should be protected, as the news of his passing has attracted many, including, unfortunately, trolls. Also, breaking news changes rapidly and may be of questionable veracity.69.117.234.230 (talk) 02:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
There are two death sections - one of them crudely suggests that he died from eating too many twinkies - Please remove that 2607:FEA8:1D9F:F9CF:519:61B6:883F:A566 (talk) 18:45, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sky  Warrior  18:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
TheRealAfterTen (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf)

Change To
 * birth_date     = March 20, 1976
 * birth_date     = March 20, 1976

Change To (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * death_date     = July 20, 2017
 * death_date     = July 20, 2017
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: no need to force the parameter. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 19:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
Remove the duplicate death section stating that Chester Bennington committed suicide by eating too many twinkies. 73.233.147.108 (talk) 18:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 18:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Alleged death - TMZ is NOT a reputable source
The only source for his alleged death is TMZ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Potentially_unreliable_sources). Can we please not declare him dead until it's confirmed by a reliable authority?TheHorizonist (talk) 18:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear unsigned, Variety has confirmed with police according to their article. -- Poet  Talk  18:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * LA Coroner confirms.


 * Apologies, signature has been added. Variety seems like a better source.TheHorizonist (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedians always bash TMZ but I've never known them to be wrong about a celebrity death. They're usually first to break the news and they vet their sources carefully. 64.183.42.11 (talk) 23:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC) Tetrazzini

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
Death On July 20th, 2017 Chester Bennington was reportedly found dead by an employee at his Palos Verdes home in California. The cause of death has been reported to be a suicide by hanging. Talanmawr (talk) 19:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * This information is already in the article. --   StarScream1007  ►Talk  19:45, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Infobox is ambiguous
After the name of his second wife, it says (m[arried] 2006; d[ied] 2017). This is ambiguous and for people who don't know the subject, they could think his wife died earlier this year. Unlike marriage and divorce which are actions by two people, only one person has died here and it's making it sound like it was his wife because she's the only person named in the bullet point. Harambe Walks (talk) 20:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. I have since changed it to her being widowed in 2017, which is correct and more unambiguous. Sky  Warrior  20:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Widowed is the correct format which I see use elsewhere on Wikipedia. I have updated it to that.  Apriestofgix (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what I initially put, but changed it. I prefer that over what Cobra put, honestly.  Sky  Warrior  02:06, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , . For the record, I changed it to "his death" which is totally unambiguous.  "Widowed" or "Died" are both ambiguous because neither gives an indication of which party died or was widowed.  Additionally, "widowed" would be wrong because this page is supposed be Chester's biography, not his wife's.  "His death" and "her death" (as appropriate) was widespread in usage, however, it seems now that a lot of those have just been changed to a marriage without end (as is currently the case on this page).  Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 12:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Widowed is unambiguous since there is a difference between widowed and widower. However the current format works as well as there are indeed many articles that don't put an end date to the marriage.  Apriestofgix (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , "widowed" is not unambiguous. It doesn't say who died. Anyway, I don't want to belabor an already moot point. SVTCobra (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC) ....... A widow and a widower are both the result of being widowed. SVTCobra (talk) 22:42, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

"Committed suicide" consensus
Please see this discussion. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 04:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request
The sentence that contains the word "aggrieved" is completely messed up. First, they use "aggrieved" as if it means "filled with grief," which it does not. And then the sentence meanders off into I don't know what. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.86.45.126 (talk) 12:45, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Marriage death date
I see that in the template for his marriage in the infobox, it says he was married in 2006, and there's nothing else. A hidden note says this is because of Template:marriage instructions, but I see nothing there that says anything about that, and the RFC on the talk page for what to use in the infobox ended with no consensus. Personally I think his death date should be listed, it looks weird to just have the date trailing like that. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:04, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

See any high-profile biography of a deceased person, survived by a spouse (e.g. Ronald Reagan) for precedent. If the subject's spouse dies, we list the end of marriage date. If the subject dies, we leave the marriage field alone. —Guanaco 18:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

WW view in section Legacy
I believe the issue's been addressed citing a variety of sources. CC: Cornerstonepicker (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

English correction
The author wrote: There was no signs of illegal drugs being used at the time even though Bennington has been in multiple battles with drug and alcohol abuse before.[49

Please correct to: There were no signs ....

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.99.34.196 (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit war over image
Not sure why there is an edit war over 2 bad images.....but would it not be best to have an image with his band mates considering the section is about the band and mentions them by name????--Moxy (talk) 16:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems a bit of an odd topic for an edit war. But I'd have to agree with you that addign a picture of Bennington performing with bandmates would be more fitting in the Linkin Park section. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  17:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for section 'Connections to Chris Cornell death'

 * 'Mike Shinoda, who cofounded Linkin Park with Bennington, said [...]' Bennington was not a co-founder of Linkin Park. The band changed its name to Linkin Park after Chester joined. That hardly makes him a founding member. Naming co-founding Linkin Park could imply Bennington being part of if. I suggest to remove the clause about it.
 * The citation link is broken. I suggest to remove the paragraph until a new source is available and referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.223.91.79 (talk) 08:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wording and reference have both been fixed. Thanks for bringing this up. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  14:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Redundant sentences describing Chester Bennington's difficulty finishing a particular song due to grief
IN THE "CONNECTIONS TO CHRIS CORNELL DEATH" SECTION Shinoda noted that Bennington was very emotional when the band performed "One More Light" in his honor, where he could not finish singing the song, be it in rehearsal or in a live performance setting.[57][58] Mike Shinoda, one of Bennington's band mates in Linkin Park, said the singer had been so overcome he was unable to complete a performance of the band's song "One More Light", about the death of a friend, both in rehearsals and on live air, when they had appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live! shortly after Cornell's death.[56] (Also the 3 words "on live air" are out of position. "...both in rehearsals and on live air, when they had appeared...." The phrase ought to be 'live on air' And perhaps with a hyphen added between 'on' and 'air') CoolPartyMusic (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)CoolPartyMusic 9/19/2017

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2017
Minor edit request: died by suicide instead of committed suicide Thanks, Ir To IrTo (talk) 01:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see [this discussion on the Linkin Park Discussion Page. You are free to contribute to that open discussion. -- [[user:StarScream1007| StarScream1007 ]] ►Talk  02:59, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Edit request regarding family and last remaining kin
A lot of information I’d missing and must be edited to reflect siblings, niece, and nephews. Tknehr (talk) 07:23, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Brothers and two sisters
Have a role in chester’s Story Tknehr (talk) 07:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2017
change 2017 to 17 2602:306:CEF9:6640:D5D8:6422:9BAE:76A0 (talk) 22:10, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Nihlus  22:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2017
Change: "committed suicide by hanging" To: died from suicide by hanging. 2607:FEA8:A420:A7A:4C10:4934:6772:19E0 (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The cited sources say it was suicide.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Cause of Death
I'm new to this but i was wondering if we could get cause of death to be changed from "suicide by hanging" to "depression". Ultimately it was the mental illness that caused his untimely death. I think this make sense and will shed more light on the stigmatization of depression and how powerful it can be on someone's life. Jzazell (talk) 05:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

(Different person) I agree to disagree. He may have had depression but the depression caused him to commit suicide. I agree the article was a little harsh and it should be changed to death by depression but I also think that it is fine the way it is because the article is telling how he really died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.41.132 (talk) 02:07, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I would tend to disagree as well, but for a different reason. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. Our job is to report the facts, not interpret them. We are not here to "destigmatize depression" or talk about how powerful it can be, we are here to write a factual article. The idea that "depression" is a "cause of death" in and of itself, rather than a factor influencing a death is controversial, and doesn't belong in a wikipedia article on a person who committed suicide. We don't know what caused him to commit suicide, all we know is that he did. JackStonePGD (talk) 07:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion
In the "Death" section of the article, it says the band canceled the "North American Tour of their One More Light Tour". To me, that seems redundant. I would suggest saying they canceled the "North American Leg of their One More Light World Tour". I don't have an account so I wanted to suggest this here so that a more established member could make the change to the article without it being reverted almost as a reflex, which has happened to me before. 216.26.183.8 (talk) 19:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2017
Under Death area of article. Change: Bennington committed suicide by hanging at his home in Palos Verdes Estates, California; To: Bennington died from suicide....  or: death was ruled a suicide.

suicide is no longer a crime, so no one "commits" suicide. They die from suicide, or the deaths are ruled suicide. 2607:FEA8:A420:A7A:45DA:E56D:2192:D4FC (talk) 04:36, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The issue of whether "commit" implies a criminal action was recently discussed for just this reason and the consensus of the editors involved was that one can "commit suicide" even if it is not a criminal act and that stating such does not violate the biography of living persons policy (which also applies to the articles about the recently-deceased). See that discussion for more details. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Genre
Genres that were unsourced (see WP:RS), or original research (see WP:OR and WP:SUBJECTIVE) were added to the article. I have removed them as there is nothing in the article backing it up. Please do not add genres without some sources. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Committed, died by or ruled as suicide
We should really figure this out as it is getting out of hand. Looking at the history of this page, it seems like most are against the use of the term committed. The edit warring over this is getting so ridiculous that I'm starting to think we should remove the word committed and say that his death was ruled as suicide or died by suicide so this edit warring stops. But I want to know what others think. We need to reach a final consensus soon. Bowling is life (talk) 18:21, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed, my thoughts are here. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 18:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It's getting pretty out of control. I'll re-iterate my thoughts in the discussion FlightTime linked: I do not have a problem with using the verbiage, "committed suicide", but would rather prefer using the term "died by suicide", which sounds more professional. Either way, I do not have a problem with using both terms in different sections to avoid redundancy in the article. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  02:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Committed suicide consensus...again
We need to reach a consensus this time because this has gotten out of control. I suggest that because of the edit wars and the fact that every anonymous or new user is agianst the usage of the term "committed" that we should change it to say that his death was ruled as suicide so this edit warring stops. Bowling is life (talk) 02:58, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure about others. ...but "died by...." sounds odd and child like with little words vs  a specific term like "Committed".  But if there's something better I would vote for that.--Moxy (talk) 03:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a lot of users are changing it to "died by sucide" and I don't know why. I think it should say his death was ruled as suicide, just like Chris Cornell's article. Bowling is life (talk) 03:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "His death was ruled as suicide" is a more professional option than "committed suicide" and also sounds better than died by suicide. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  23:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah the term "committed" should be removed. Bowling is life (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Should we change "committed" to "his death was ruled as suicide" then? Bowling is life (talk) 01:45, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "ruled as suicide." Another editor tried changing it to "died by suicide." Bowling is life (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Unless someone else seems to have another opinion, let's keep it at 'his death was ruled a suicide by hanging.' --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  22:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2018
Vocal style and legacy: The gap left by Chester in the music scene is unbridgeable. Considered in his own way as the spokesman of the "zero generation" (as years before it had happened to Kurt Cobain about the "X generation") will be remembered for his remarkable interpretative skills and the heterogeneity of his vocal style. Bennington has formed vocally with the Gray Daze using an instinctive and naturally "dirty" approach that can be compared to that of Layne Staley and Kurt Cobain.

With his inclusion in Linkin Park his voice was "sophisticated" and enriched with multiple nuances, also required by the musical genre of LP more oriented to metal than to grunge. Bennington with a probably unique ease was able to move from a "relaxed" style almost pop to a powerful and really incisive scream. Lars Ulrich said of him: "He was one of those singers who had that rare gift in which every word he uttered sounded authentic", "what comes out of him is all his expressive urgency." [22]

His career was studded with excellent collaborations including the duet in 2007 with his great friend Chris Cornell, reinterpreting the "classic" of the Temple of the Dog "Hunger Strike" [23]

Numerous tributes and vigils have been organized by the artist's fans in all the countries of the world as visually testify the videos of One More Light and Crawling (Live). [24] [25]

But Bennington's greatest merit was to give "voice" to anyone who feels excluded "abused" and "put aside" by society. [26]

Chester's wife, Talinda Bennington, who immediately started to attract media attention to those suffering from depression and mental disorders on March 20 (her husband's birthday) founded the "320 Changes Direction" [27] TheSilentEnigma76 (talk) 21:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: What change do you want to be made? Your request is not very clear. Bowling is life (talk) 21:54, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Role as actor
Is Chester Bennington’s role as an actor in its own right notable enough for him to have his own Wikipedia article? In other words, if being an actor was his only claim to fame, would the cumulative sum of his acting roles merit enough notability for him to be on Wikipedia? Because if not, the “actor” part should be removed from the lead. Otherwise, you’d be able to abritrarily add other things in the lead such as “basketball player”, “philanthropist”, “wife of Talinda”, “tattoo enthusiast”, “mental health activist”, etc. You get the point. Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 00:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * No per WP:BIO1E. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 00:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Instruments.
Chester Bennington also knew how to play the guitar and the piano, and he has even played them live before. I feel like these instruments should be added into the instruments section. AustinDeLarra (talk) 07:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Per, Template:Infobox musical artist, the instrument field is limited to only to be used for the primary instrument the artist is best known for. In this case, since Bennington's primary role was a vocalist, that is the only 'instrument' or role mentioned in that field. Bennington's contributions on piano and guitar are still discussed within the prose of the article. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  11:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

"Best-selling band of the 21st century"
Just removed this claim as it uncited, seemed dubious and contradicted sourced material available at List_of_best-selling_music_artists.  Promethean  (talk) 16:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Split Grey Daze to become its own article?
With the band returning to action and releasing an album that charted in the UK and Germany, shouldn't that mean the band merits its own page? I recall there are questions over whether or not they'll actually tour with a new vocalist or not but obviously that doesn't need mentioning unless there's credible sources for it. VampireKilla (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There's been a surge of sources and material in the past few days to properly solidify Grey Daze in terms of WP:N. I think it would be appropriate now to create a stand-alone Grey Daze article. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  21:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Opening
The intro says "Linkin Park's following studio albums, from Meteora (2003) to One More Light (2017), continued the band's success." But from all the references I can see online, each album did worse, and each album caused a decline in the band's "success" and nothing is shown that the albums did anything otherthan diminish the band's succes. One More Light, as the most recent example, has negative reviews on MetaCritic. All of the reception data shows it did not continue the band's succes but impeded it. The overwhelming majority of fan and critic opinion is that of rejection. How else would you interperet negative reviews?

The One More Light album sold 50% less than the previous, and I won't give you the %drop in sales from Meteroa to One More Light. METEORA sold 11,292,487 copies in 39 countries. MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT by LINKIN PARK has sold 7,815,000 copies in 35 countries. A Thousand Sons sold 906,000 in the US only. Why is this anecdotal, throwaway line in the opening section of his wikipedia page? user:Tinndalos 05:25, 29 July (UTC) (UTC)
 * I'd agree that "success" by itself should generally be avoided and unless there is more context - ie album sales, chart position, or reviews. Let me review some sources and see if I can modify it. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  13:16, 29 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I went ahead just noted the band charted in the top three for all studio albums, as that's the only thing that seems consistently positive between all the albums. Thanks for the suggestion. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  14:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Cause of Death in Infobox
The current Infobox for this article does provide a parameter for "death cause". However, Template:Infobox person has the following note for that parameter: "Should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability." Bennington was a notable singer well before his death. His suicide was not overly controversial or the subject of conspiracy theories and accusations (like the Suicide of Kurt Cobain). His death is already mentioned in the lead and prose of the article in detail. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  17:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)