Talk:Chester city walls

Most complete city walls in England?
What is meant by this? And is it verifiable? I mention this because the walls around York seem to be as or even more complete, since most of gaps in the cicuit were there originally and were protected by flooding artificial lakes. York has its original gates, too, though somewhat vandalised by the Victorians. -

Likewise, what about Conwy? Steve Roberts 04:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's in terms of ther percentage of the original walls remaining; York has more miles of wall than Chester, but there are some significant sections missing. Laïka  08:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Merger?
It seems to this benighted editor that this article really belongs in the Chester city walls article, which is pretty small to begin with. It's slicing the cake awfully thin to have separate articles about the walls and their parts. Should the two articles be merged?--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Copied from Talk:List of sections of Chester city walls and associated structures


 * A good thought, which I also had when I compiled the list. The article Chester city walls is IMO not very good, even though it's been given a class B assessment (I would have placed it at no more than Start).  IMO there is room for a "proper", long, detailed, and scholarly article on the walls which, if it were done properly, would be too long to be merged with this list.  Maybe one day, I'll do it; or perhaps someone more expert than I might do it.  I would rather not combine them at this stage, so that it leaves this option open.


 * Looking toward the future, especially following the fairly recent split of the county into the unitary authorities of Cheshire West and Chester, and Cheshire East, something will have to be done about Grade I listed buildings in Chester and Grade I listed buildings in Cheshire. I would imagine the best thing would be to create separate lists of the Grade I buildings in each of the new authorities.  But the city walls do not fit comfortably.  However a connection/link could be made between this list and the Cheshire West and Chester list to sort of sort it out.  Early days... --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I too see this as an unfortunate fork, both articles cover about the same stuff, except the first is very poorly referenced and has the additional list, Sadads (talk) 10:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This list contains more than the walls; it incorporates the gates (bridges), towers, etc. There are separate articles on most of these.  I still think there is place for a very much better article on the walls themselves, separate from this list. (Perhaps I made the "mistake" of including too much information in the lead.) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think a merge could work, and I agree with Peter that a properly written article on the walls would be too large to merge with this one anyway. The reason I don't think it could work is that the two articles are necessarily organised differently; the city walls article needs to be a historical, chronological account, covering not just significant structures but significant events, whereas this one is a straightforward list of the various sections regardless of their historical importance or context. Malleus Fatuorum 11:43, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If the article on Chester city walls was more developed I think it would be easier to see why these two articles are better off as separate entities. They set out to try and do different things and cover different, though of course related, subjects. As Malleus says, the Chester city walls article should be expanded to create a historical narrative of the walls and though the list's lead does that to some extent it does not fully cover the subject as a dedicated article should. There is plenty of material that could be included in an article specifically on the walls that would not fit here, off the top of my head there's construction methods and the changing significance of town and city walls. At the moment, this lest provides a better summary of the subject than the Chester city walls article. The latter certainly needs some work and I'll see what I can do (now might be a good time to revisit the Deva Victrix article). I probably won't manage much this week, but next I hope to have more free time. Nev1 (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The article has now been expanded. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Length of the walls circuit
A full circuit of the walls is about 4.5 miles not 2 miles. The 2 miles figure in the article is not verified, but I don't want to change one unverified claim with another. I will change this when I can get a verified source. Jules (talk) 09:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, nearly 2 miles; three citations to this effect added. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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