Talk:Chetham's School of Music

Notable Alumni
Reverted to edition without Postman Pat as a notable alumnus; Im not saying he didn't study at Chets, just that it's unlikely. If user 83.99.18.184 - or anyone else for that matter - can provide evidence to the contrary, feel free to revert it back. M A Mason 23:17, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Anyone care to comment on how "Chetham's" and "Chet's" are pronounced? Flapdragon 12:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've always heard "Chetham's" as "Cheat-ums", and then "Chets" as 'Ch' as in 'chair', then 'et' as in 'bet'. I don't know enough about IPA to add it though. Also, I'm sure about the grammatical rules for including the apostrophe in a Chet's/Chets contraction. Lambyuk 00:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's as "Cheat" "Umz" if you get that. -- Alex 9891 00:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Pheonix Brass Quintet and the G-Floor links
Anyone know why these two external links are in this article? Pheonix Brass Quintet states on the site that they were formed by students of Royal Northern College of Music and the G-floor appears to be some English guy's personal website. Is there something more to them than that? --Siobhan Hansa 21:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think they should go, they don't really add anything to the article. --Alex (Talk) 21:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's good enough for me! I took them out. If another editor knows why they were here please let us know.  Thanks --Siobhan Hansa 21:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

They were there because two members of the Phoenix Brass Quartet studied at chets, and the G-floor used to be chets' "underground" website (referring obviously to the palentine practice block) and had gossip, news, photos etc. but has since morphed more into a personal site. Were you guys even at chets??


 * I wasn't. Why would you assume editors of this article attended the school?   Thanks for clearing up the mystery.  The links you're describing seem a bit tenuous for an encyclopedia article.  I suggest they stay off the page.  -- Siobhan Hansa 04:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Refs required.... any pictures. Welcome Victuallers 15:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I uploaded and added a free photo from Flickr. It isn't the best, but better than nothing. I'll try and get one myself.  Majorly  (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Alumni list
Clearly there are a lot of notable alumni, given the nature of the school. I've trimmed it down to 20 but still feel that's too many. At the moment, it's just a list but would prefer it in prose. Any thoughts? AD 01:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be better in prose, perhaps the alumni should have a separate article/list. These sections can overwhelm an article. Just a thought.--J3Mrs (talk) 00:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * A separate article is a good idea. AD 00:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Removal of sourced content
I understand that there may be sensitive issues, but this is an encyclopaedia and is not censored. Certainly there is room for discussion about its content and what is and is not appropriate; there are arguments which can be brought, but just repeatedly editing out of the article text of which one does not approve is never going to work out well. The material over which concern has been expressed is already in the public eye - rather thoroughly so, one might add - so it is hard to see the practical value of the exercise anyway.

The article has no obligation towards Chets or anyone else - its job is just to contain the facts. Editors working on it, in consensus, can agree what those facts are and what is appropriate. If a member of staff had stolen a packet of paperclips then you would find plenty who would agree that it didn't need to be here as it gives undue weight to something which is trivial and has nothing to do really with the article topic - but that is not what we have here. To suppress what seems to be a highly relevant fact about the institution makes it look like Wikipedia is trying to help sanitise its image ... which would be particularly odd when you look at Chets's own website at the moment - I mean, have you seen it?

Given that, how is it helping to simply remove, over and over (and in breach of 3RR, over which the editor has been warned), the same content which is so thoroughly everywhere else on the internet? Who would it help, and how would it help them, to have this article as a little secret garden which is the only place where this never happened? I am honestly and truly baffled. I invite the other editor here to discuss their concerns and perhaps try to help us understand what is going on here, because at the moment I am not getting it.

With best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 13:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Separate article needed on sex abuse scandal?
I've added information from the BBC and the Independent on the latest police statements, and in view of the expanding nature and scale of the inquiries reorganised the information in the article into a separate sub-section. I also think it should be mentioned in the lead. I've also mentioned the latest school statement. Do others feel that the time is right yet to have a separate article on the Chetham's School of Music sexual abuse scandal (or Operation Kiso), or should the information be retained in this article - bearing in mind that it seems as though the inquiries may go on for some time yet, potentially unbalancing the article as a whole? For comparison, see Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal, North Wales child abuse scandal, and Elm Guest House child abuse scandal - though I recognise this one may not be as major in terms of numbers involved. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Concerning which: Frances Andrade did not commit suicide. From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28489500 we read 'At the inquest, Mr Travers [the coroner] ruled out a verdict of suicide'.

Campus Buildings
Now Chetham's have built another building. The music department is no longer in the Palatine building, and the classrooms in Millgate are no longer in use.

George George8211 (talk) 10:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)