Talk:Chevelle/Archive 1

Adding Of unreleased songs
So I edited the page and added a bunch of live covers and ureleased songs. I added a link to the website. So if anyone wants to clean up what I did feel free. The songs are under "Audio" then "Other" and also under "Live Performances"

Is Chevelle really a 2000s music group? They were formed in 1995 and released their first album in 1999.&mdash;Boarder8925 17:20, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * But they reached what level of prominence they've achieved during the 2000s. Likewise, Nine Inch Nails released their first album in 1989, but would you really consider them a 1980s band?  &mdash;Morven 23:30, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Christian Rock
Chevelle is actually clasified as a Christian Rock band in many different situations. Although I listen to all of their albums, I cannot say that they have put out any songs directly related to Christianity. I will add this to the article, also, Chevelle is the best flippin band of all time, gah! --Zeerus 13:02, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

So, they're not really Christian Rock?
 * The Wretched

Ok here is the story how I heard it: "Chevelle signed to a Christian label in the their early years, and so some of their music ended up in Christian Music shops. But as they changed music label they entered the mainstream industry." I also read somewhere they call them selfs "recovering catholic's".

I Also googled for some information that my help someone who wants to expand the wiki entry: http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/glimpses/2004/thistypeofthinking.html - Telling the story I typed out in the top paragraph :P http://christianmusic.about.com/od/specialreports/a/aacrossovrer.htm - Just pointing out Chevelle is classified as secular/mainstream band but they say they are Christians.

I do feel we need to add a section to the Chevelle entry to explain why they are sometimes labeled as a Christian rock band.

--Openhazel

Chevelle are in fact Christians, but only some songs clarify that therefore they arent a Christian "band" Skeeker 21:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC) HELL YEAH YOU MOTHER FUCKERS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.47.55 (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Upcomong Shows Section
is it appropriate to have a gig schedule on this article, i think we should remove it...

I don't think a gig schedule is necessary either. I think it's OK to say they're "currently on tour" and maybe link to a gig schedule though. But Wikipedia isn't a gig schedule itself. Unless someone could prove otherwise that it's OK, I'm just gonna remove it for now.

Also, I put a caption indicating who was who for the pic, but it was removed by another person... probably since it might have been screwing up the "years active" thing, from what it seems in the history. Hopefully, it won't do that again though. Either way, I think it should be indicated who is who, as to avoid confusion that one of the members in the picture is actually Dean Bernadini, unless an updated photo of the new band lineup is available to replace the current one. Shadowolf 05:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed the caption but put one on the image itself, but I guess some people would still be confused, not knowing to hover their cursor over the image. ;) &mdash;Sixteen Left 11:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah...I didn't even know you could do that. But I do notice it now, but yeah, I think it is kinda hard to notice to just put the cursor over. X-P Shadowolf 18:36, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Member Status
I don't really buy that "KICKED OUT" thing on Joe's status, as he was dismissed by "irreconcilable differences". I'll attempt to remove that.

With good reason, Chevelle has chose to keep the specific reasons of Joe's departure to themselves. It's kept very vague and basic, saying that he was "relieved of his duties as bassist," "due to 'irreconcilable differences.'" Interpret that however you wish, but from that it does sound like it was a matter of him being booted, rather than him leaving. It's very unfortunate; I really liked his style of bass playing. But I'm sure that decision is for the best. --Shaun77 22:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

He just played the root of whatever Pete was playing. Very boring bass if you ask me *yawn*. At least he did something okay in "Peer". --jndietz sometime, someday

If you want further details on Joe's leaving, check out his page. Typical sibling issues. :/ --Shaun77 19:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Could someone explain to me (or preferrably add to the article) a description about how the bands name is pronounced? Mind you that I am not a native speaker, hence having no gut feeling about it. —kooo 00:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It's generally pronounced: "Shē-VELL," with the accent on the second syllable. --Shaun77


 * With a long "e", as in "she"? Are you sure? If it's like the car, it's a schwa sound: shə-VELL (IPA pronunciation: ).

Yes, it's pronounced like the car, where they got the name from - their dad's old Chevelle. "Shuh-vale"

Sounds like Tool?
I'd like someone to justify the section comparing Chevelle's sound to Tool. Other than a passing resemblence to Maynard's angsty vocals, there is absolutely no similarity in terms of odd time signatures, bass driven songs, creepy ambience, etc. I'm tempted to delete this section unless someone strongly objects... -Petey 20:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I do hear the similarities between Maynard's vocal's to Pete's, but if anything Chevelle sounds like A Perfect Circle (Maynard's other band he sings for) than Tool. A perfect Circle's music seems to have a similar melodic sound. But I'm not an avid listener to Tool, so I could be wrong. I've only heard a little of Tool's music and I'm more familiar with A Perfect Circle. I'm a huge fan of Chevelle's music and as I have compared the two bands, I think Chevelle is more like A Perfect Circle. -Lindsey8417 01:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Lindsey: APC is more melodic, true. But I still fail to see any musical resemblance other than maybe tuning down to drop D, but hell if that's the definition of sounding like Tool then most post-Nirvana bands sound like Tool.

I still think it's a disingenuous musical comparison. --Petey

Tool and APC obviously share many similarites, as Keenan influences both bands' music. But the contribution of APC's Billy Howardell and Josh Freese direct the band's sound to more mainstream time signatures and rhythms. So from a pure technical standpoint, Chevelle would better be compared to APC. But from a vocal and lyrical standpoint, it wouldn't matter - Maynard James Keenan sounds the same no matter what band he's a part of. --Shaun77 21:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, i was always wondering how they sounded alike. Critics apparently think so, but still, most of chevelle's music is just, more simple than Tool's. plus, generally, Pete's voice doesn't sound too much alike, unless it's like in Vitamin R when he says lines like "past it on....". they compare Keenan's voice to a whole bunch of other vocalists whom i just can't see the relation like David Draiman of Disturbed and Aaron Lewis of Staind.Itachi1452 18:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

They somewhat do, there lyrics are kinda weird like them. Skeeker 05:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

the beginning of Straight Jacket Fashion sounds like it IS a tool song. Kingoomieiii

Cleaned Up/Christian Rock
I just made a few edits, just to make it sound a little more timeless. I also deleted the part about the christian rock label, but it looks like it used to be a bit more explained, so if somebody wants to put the old paragraph regarding that back feel free. I don't really know why it was deleted, actually.

Is it Christian Rock? It's not listed as Christian Rock in the List of Christian Rock Artists. Or were they just signed to a Christian Label?
 * The Wretched

I think that they are a Chrisitan band, but very much involved in the secular mainstream, much like P.O.D.

I, being a devoted fan of Chevelle, do not agree that they are a "Christian band." It's likely that from a religious standpoint, they are Christian, but it does not come through clearly in their lyrics. True, their first album, Point #1 had a few Biblical references, namely in "Long." But outside of that one song, they really do not incorporate religious views in their lyrics. --Shaun77 21:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, calling Chevelle a christian band would be the equivilant of calling Avenged Sevenfold a christian band: they have a few songs with references to Christianity, but not nearly as much as the majority of Christian bands. - Razorhead 6:55 PM, 5 August 2006

The label that their first album, Point #1, was under was Squint Entertainment - which coincidentally happened to be a Christian label. Chevelle has repeatedly stated that their religious beliefs have hardly any influence on their lyrics. The shift to Epic Records was likely motivated by their desire to remove the "Christian Rock" tag from their music. --Shaun77 02:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if anybody will be reading this (hopefully) but Chevelle actually should be considered a Christian band for a couple of reasons. 1) The most vocal showing of their Christian laced days was, as stated, on Point #1 - but you are all failing to realize that the cover of the CD, if turned, is depicting the bottom of the cross with Jesus' feet AND 2) A good couple of their songs, when viewed through what Christian's call, 'Biblical Eyes' - "Grab Thy Hand" clearly says "God how I long to grab thy hand and walk' - "Closure" is about Jesus' death for three days (three days aside) and how being 'born again' can't hurt so that Satan could never have him (to Jesus: Your rebirth can't hurt... To Satan:closer has come to me myself, you will never belong to me) - "The Clincher" is actually about the singer realizing that if he'd known that Jesus was the Son of God, that he wouldn't have nailed Him down (metaphorically) and about Jesus taking our sins to the cross for us - The 'clincher' of the whole situation is that it should've been us up on the cross, and the line saying 'got me by the chin' describes when Jesus' beard was being pulled our by the Roman soldiers.... Adios


 * If one folds a twenty dollar bill in the proper fashion, one can see the World Trade Center exploding. .Absolution. 13:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

- "The Clincher" is about claustrophobia and how Pete Loeffler found out he had it. "Closure" is about anger and it's ill effects. Both of those were straight from Pete and Sam. Also, I went and switched the stub labels from "Christian rock albums" to just "rock" albums. VinTheMetalhed 19:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

What does the twenty dollar bill thing have to do with this? Skeeker 22:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * He's pointing out how easily people read into things and find connections that don't exist. 12.74.205.151 12:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay I see now, thanks. Skeeker 21:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Weasel Word
Critics say the voice of Loeffler is refreshingly unique, powerful, and filled with emotion.

Someone please edit this, or add sources to verify.

Many agree that he has one of the best voices in hard rock to date.

Use of a weasel word, deleted this. --Mynabull 04:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Split Up
I could have sworn I heard that Chevelle was splitting up...? Was that ever imminent? --Discharger12 04:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Joe was dismissed in summer 2005, but the band continued touring, and is currently working on their new album, which should be out in February 2007. --Shaun77 19:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Chevelle and Christian Rock
First of all, the main article is way too short for a band of this prominence. I don't know enough about the band to add a detailed history, but somebody should definitely expand this. Secondly, Chevelle's first two albums, Point #1 and Wonder What's Next, were both sold in Christian bookstores and Point #1 was released on a Christian label. So at one point, they were definitely classified as a Christian band, though more in the P.O.D. sense of the word. Roofi&#39;s Publicist 02:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I know a little about Chevelle, but I dont think that I know enough about the beginnings of the band or enough in general to basically write a biography section on them. I know that Sam is the one who updates the boards with news on their site. All I can find when looking for information on them is a short biography thats on over a dozen websites ( VH1 for example). It cites their influences as Helmet and Tool and tells the release dates of the albums. But it doesnt really provide any depth, the article really needs an update. Also, I have never heard of Chevelle being classified as a Christian Rock band. # Named link: Einsiders seems to have a bit of information on the band in an interview with Sam. That could be used to further expand the article. Lamentingvampire09 09:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion on the matter either way, but I'd like to point out this article: http://www.evangelsociety.org/francisco/chevelle.html. Deadfones 06:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Id personally take a band member's statement over a reliious website's. Here is the paragraph from the interview with Sam from the source previoudly mentioned:


 * Another spoke in the wheel-house of Chevelle-rumors is the debate over whether they are a Christian rock band. Religion not being a subject I usually cross-examine total strangers about, the recent chatter filling local radio airwaves about possible proselytizing in their music necessitates the inquiry. "It’s something that’s probably going to follow us around forever and that’s fine. It’s pretty simple. We originally signed with a record company that was backed by Word (a Christian label housing John Tesh and Amy Grant), so the record (Point #1) was in Christian bookstores. It was really an accidental thing."

Lamentingvampire09 13:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Assuring me that the band had nothing to do with the Christian rock industry, Sam states that they are "recovering Catholics" who are still Christians, but that any religious attitudes on the part of Chevelle’s members are distinctly separate from the band and their music. With repeated listens to WWN, I feel qualified to state that there are no sermons detected on the album. Now I can enjoy Chevelle’s music without fear of subliminal Christian messages intruding my subconscious. Thank God, no pun intended.

Post-Grunge
I have added post-grunge to the list of genres as they are mentioned on the post-grunge page as a 'Second Wave' post grunge band. Nothing is cited but let's be honest, 'Send the Pain Below' is serious grunge music. Supposed 03:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes I can quite agree with that although I'd rather call them alternative metal seeing all the confusion going on with post-grunge at the moment. Jason f90 11:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

lol, i also agree. i'm kicking myself for not editing it earlier to that. i should have realized that after i realized that they were the only band i listened to that i hadn't classified under post-grunge yet. i agree completelyItachi1452 00:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Major Changes
I've made some major changes to the page; added MUCH more information, categorized some stuff, posted links to the music videos and heaps more. Check it out for yourself.Jason f90 11:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Images?
Looks kind of barren without them. Anybody have some they can add that are compatible with Wikipedia policy? --ScarletSpiderDave 11:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've had a look, and there were some promotional photos I found, but they had small text down the side of them that said they could only be used in newspapers, regular publications and television networks, so I'm guessing that means we can't use them here. Here's a link to one of them, so you can see for yourself . H4cksaw 16:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I managed to get a screen capture of the three of them off one of their music videos. I'll add it in a couple of minutes. H4cksaw 17:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys. I was just thinking. I went to a link off of this page, http://www.chevelleonline.net/, and ended up going to a the "Media" section. Then the "Audio" section. Then the "Other" section and found a lot of chevelle covers not found on Wikipedia. I think any song covered by chevelle should be stated. I would do this myself but I'm fucking slow when it comes to computers.

Chevelle and Christianity
the only things i know about whether chevelle being a christian band is pretty much what i have read on here. BUT, i have my own opinion on it. i read on here that only like two songs of theirs have biblical references, but i do not beleive that to be true. i know The Red seems to have biblical reference, maybe not directly, but the meaning reminds me of what its like to be a christian. The Clincher also has the same thing,

"Could we have known

Never would I, helped to nail down

With nothing to gain

Here's the clincher, this should be you" -© Chevelle

To me, this reminds me of what Jesus did, or had done to him, he was "nailed down" for our sins! (whether or not u blieve this to be true is irrelevent to my discussion) but we as humans all deserve that, death and eternal separation from God as payment for our sins, therefore, "Here's the clincher, THIS should be you!" is quite relevent. that is just two of the songs that i see christianity showing through. so maybe they arent a Christian band, but we can see that their songs tend to talk about things that refer to Christian ideal and or beliefs. So i think it should at least be talked about that they have biblical reference.

sorry for the lack of punctuation in this. haha.

JonGray™


 * Pretty sure that in "The Clincher", Pete Loeffler was actually somehow talking about an episode where, while they were on tour, Sam Loeffler's claustrophobia was aggravated and there were some scary moments or something like that. That's at least what I heard when the song came out a couple years ago, but my memory may be failing me. Anybody else remember hearing something about that? Roofi&#39;s Publicist 03:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's right. There is an interview on the DVD side of the This Type of Thinking Dual Disc where they state that The Clincher is about claustrophobia and being buried alive. I remember reading another interview somewhere where Pete says that the 'nail down' part of the song refers to nails on a coffin. Also, Pete is the one who had the claustrophobia, not Sam. 128.123.85.194 00:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And that's a personal interpretation anyway. Unless you have a verifiable soucrce of a band member saying that, you can't put it up. Lord GS-41 05:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

11 songs.
Anyone else notice that there's always 11 songs on every Chevelle album (Except for Live)? Is there any significance to that? Lord GS-41 05:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: Music Style
This subsection is very POVish. There is no sourcing, no supporting proof. I would urge the author to revise these statements or else they should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gagueci (talk • contribs) 16:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

Intro
"The band's name refers to the Loeffler brothers' father's favorite car." This needs a citationGagueci 15:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Nu Metal?
I'm sorry for whoever put this, but Chevelle has no Nu Metal influences, and their musical style is nothing close to being nu metal. They're more associated with Alternative Metal, and perhaps Post-Grunge. Dautolover 00:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

i agree with iyou 100%. they are not a nu metal band in any way. Itachi1452 01:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC) i do say i agree, but i hate lables Skeeker 04:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

prog metal?
maybe chevellle might be prog metal. they do have some prog influences, and their music is by no means, unoriginal. they're style of music is failry unique, so is it possible that they're prog metal? Itachi1452 01:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

A bands music being "unique" and "original" doesn't make them prog metal or prog rock. Inhumer 17:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree Skeeker 05:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Not another one of these... First off, do you have any experience with the progressive metal genre? Please go read the wikipedia article on it and you will realize that you are horribly mistaken. Zanders5k 23:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The Fad: Single?
Where is proof that "The Fad" is the next single?

I hope so "The Fad" fricken rules, that line "Taste for cheap panther piss" is a weird lyric though. Skeeker 04:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no link to it, but on Liner Notes on Squizz (XM channel), Chevelle said they had compromised with management that "Well Enough Alone" would be the first single, and "The Fad" would be the second.

To clarify the lyric in question, panther is a cheap malt beer

Free photo
Not sure where this should/can go:



--mav 03:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The Blue Album
There is an early Chevelle demo called The Blue Album, does anyone know anything about this? Skeeker 21:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I actually was looking through the Chevelle message boards and saw someone selling old demos of chevelle on Ebay. There was a picture a a tape and a blue cd, thats probably it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChevelleFan1 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC) --ChevelleFaN1 06:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Matt Scott
I made a page for Matt Scott and about 5 minutes latter someone placed it far speedy deletion, why is the artical always being deleated, if that keeps happening why even have him as a past member? Skeeker 21:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Note
No band that emerged in the grunge heyday of 1994 can feasibly be labeled post-grunge...it's just not historically possible. Remember, that was far before the cheese-filled days of Creed and the like. Save that label for those bands. I have thus, appropriately, changed the genre label to "grunge" based on both the aforementioned fact (and careful personal consideration of the band's music -- don't think I forgot that).

New Section
Should't there be a section under the history portion of the article stating how they formed a band, the original bassist Matt Scott, and The Blue album? Skeeker &#91; Talk &#93; 21:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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