Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport/Archive 1

Images
Why are there more images of the International terminal? Also how come there are no images of Terminal 1A? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Largest Airport?
How can MIAL be the largest Airport in India, after Devanahalli Airport beat it? MIAL is 5.9 km2, while BIAL is 16.4 km2. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC) Hyderabad International Airport is 22 km2.Even bigger!!!! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

ModiLuft
Did ModiLuft serve Mumbai? 67.163.90.107 (talk) 13:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible Operators
Hi User:67.163.90.107. Since you decided to blank your talkpage instead of answering my question, I'll put it here again: Do you have any verifiable sources for the list of "Possible Operators"? Wikipedia is not a crystal ball - unless you can add a relieable reference that proves the list of possible operators, it must be removed from the article! --Amalthea (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the list again. --Amalthea (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Destinations by region
A new article can easily be created for this. However, I just followed examples from other airport articles... What will work best? Jasepl (talk) 19:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I just think that if a section is so long that it needs to be collapsed, one should think about moving it to it's own article. If you ask for my opinion, I'd just remove the whole section, since I don't think it's really that important, but I don't dare suggest it because you put a lot of work into it. :) Cheers, Amalthea (talk) 19:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Terminal 1C
IS Terminal 1C the one coming up between 1A, and 1B? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Amsterdam is a Delta hub
Amsterdam is a Delta hub: https://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate_information/delta_stats_facts/index.jsp As such, the "direct" flights to Atlanta and Detroit should be removed as there is a stop in Amsterdam.Bradnewengland (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * DL 243 operates BOM-AMS-DTW every day, using the same Airbus 330-200 all the way from Bombay to Detroit. There is no change of aircraft en route, nor does the flight number change. And this is followed through every day (until that flight is replaced by DL 239, going BOM-AMS-ATL, following the same routine). Ergo, it is a direct flight and will remain on the Bombay Airport page. Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

VABB aerodrome chart
I have uploaded a modified copy of the aerodrome chart on Wikimedia (and added a thumbnail in the main infobox) available from the website of the Airports Authority of India (AAI) - the specific document is here:http://203.145.141.167/misc/6-2010.pdf. Please discuss the copyright issues related to this image, considering that the original formatted document is available in the public domain from AAI (a Govt. of India regulatory body). I am currently not aware of the specific licensing issues. Comments welcome.Pizzadeliveryboy (talk) 08:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Parallel Runway on the southern side at CSIA is completely feaseable
Parallel runway on the southern side paralel to current runway 09/27 is possible. Google maps or any area maps will show that the plan is completely feaseable. Airports like Frankfurt in Germany, Charlotte Douglas in North Carolina, San Jose in California all have parallel runways which are even closer than what the proposed paralel runway in the given area avaliable at CSIA would permit. Why is this option not coming forward as a fast, easy and cost effective measure to ease congestion at CSIA. Lastly the parallel runway may even does not have to be 13500 feet long, it can be 9500 feet long and yet would ease congestion, yes there are many airports which have 2 or even 3 paralel runways which are of not same length and different in lengths and yet function fine by balancing the landings on those runways by the type of aircraft that is landing. Lastly the new Hong Kong International Airport is built on an area even lesser than what the CSIA Mumbai airport has at its disposal, yet it has built two parallel runways 12,467 feet long. BostonPunekar (talk) 16:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Removal of links
Some users and anonymous IPs are removing wikilinks of Indian, Jet Airways and Kingfisher airlines without a valid reason. As this has happened with Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport which resulted in a semi protection, can be possible with this article as well. never stop flying (talk) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at other airport articles.....we do not need to link carriers twice as they are already linked. Snoozlepet (talk) 18:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As per WP:REPEATLINK, where the links are in a table, as each row should stand on its own. WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airports) does not have any exception to this. Other airport articles need to be wiki linked properly if they lack.  never stop flying (talk) 04:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am bringing it up now at WP:AIRPORTS. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Delta's seasonal service to Atlanta and JFK
I have removed Atlanta as a destination since I don't see Delta operating the route at all (only operating to JFK via AMS). Deta's schedules/booking engine now showing the flight routing BOM-AMS-DTW/BOM-AMS-EWR. Also, JFK service will end after the winter season is over per schedules. Snoozlepet (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Qantas service to Singapore
I had edited the destinations served by Qantas to include Sydney, as obviously the flight ex-Mumbai does not terminate at a fifth freedom destination. Yet another user thought fit to override my edit, when I am obviously correct, as Qantas is not the airline of Singapore, it is the airline of Australia. Kslall8765 (talk) 02:48, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter. SIN is a QF secondary hub. Unless you can provide a flight number that continues to SYD, SYD cannot be listed. See WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. HkCaGu (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The flight number (QF51/QF52) actually continues to Brisbane, but this flight requires a aircraft change from A332 to B744 at a secondary hub (SIN), hence it cannot be listed. Sb617 (Talk) 09:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I stand corrected, albeit with a hint of protest...;-)

Kslall8765 (talk) 11:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

History
Does any body know the history of this airport? When was Sahar airport built? In some old hindi movies they happend to show Mumbai airport. What was that then? (I mean before the Sahar airport was built). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.76.32.20 (talk • contribs)

There may be scope for adding an "Incidents/Events" section as in the case of Delhi airport. It was recently reported that there are about half a dozen defunct planes at the airport for legal, accident and other such reasons 61.1.69.168 11:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)PST

the pics in the article are of the domestic airport. correction needed.

yea the pics are of the domestic airport. is there an article about the domestic airport? i realized the IATA code for both the domestic and the international airport is BOM. What does that mean?Adhishb 03:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That means that they are one and the same airport (from the airside). Most airports have separate arrivals/departures terminals (or at least, ingress/egress paths) for domestic and international flights as international passengers have to go through passport control, customs and such. In Mumbai it just so happened that these different terminals ended up in different suburbs. For the general populace Mumbai has two different airports but for people in the aviation industry, Mumbai has one airport with several terminals (5?) in three separate buildings (one at Sahar, two at Santa Cruz).Binand 07:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Ive added some more historical information about the airport during WW2. however i've not been able to ascertain whether the airfield was initially built as a civllian or military installation. Thanks. Trini 08:46, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trinidade (talk • contribs)

5 terminals
BOM currently has 5 terminal buildings (as of May 2010) - T1A/B/C, T2B/C. T2A has been demolished, making way for the SW pier of the new T2. Eventually, T2A and T2B will also go (in that order) once more portions of the new T2 come online. T1A/B/C will most likely remain, and may be used for cargo and LCC.Pizzadeliveryboy (talk) 18:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Does the GA terminal in the "old airport" area count? Trini 08:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trinidade (talk • contribs)

Thru Hub? 9W to EWR
I've seen previous edits on the article about not counting services through a 'Thru hub'. I just wish to clarify about this. I understand that it isn't a real direct flight (as should be listed) when there is an aircraft change even if the number stays the same (AI BOM-DEL-JFK and HYD-DEL-ORD), however, in the case of BOM-BRU-EWR and DEL-BRU-YYZ, the aircraft stays the same as well as the flight number, so it is a direct service, even if it is through a specified hub or focus city. So why should it not be listed? On other articles throughout wikipedia, these counted and included (e.g. MAA, LHR, DXB) --MJLRGS (talk) 13:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Just adding, by these terms, DL's seasonal flights are included, as decided earlier in the discussion. Qantas services to Brisbane via Singapore also. --MJLRGS (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Since no-one has yet responded, I will put Newark back in the Jet Airways destination list. If you wish to revert it, please refer to the discussion. I will also do the same for Indira Gandhi Airport. --MJLRGS (talk) 19:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 August 2013
Hello the native languages is Marathi

so name the airport shold be displayed on page in Marathi

छत्रपती शिवाजी आंतरराष्ट्रीय विमानतळ

Hindi is not lanaguges of Mumbai

Native official languages is Marathi

Name of airport must be displayed --छत्रपती शिवाजी आंतरराष्ट्रीय विमानतळ

Thanks

Maheshmogre (talk) 01:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done. I have added approximate IPA for Vimānthal. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 09:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Check In Counter at 1A
— Preceding unsigned comment added by KD7827 (talk • contribs) 09:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, time for a major change
Dear Editors of CSIA

It has come to my attention that the new terminal underconstruction will be opened within the next few months and over the past few weeks, VIPs in India were given a tour of the airport and pictures have been uploaded on certain websites. Perhaps a couple of new pictures could be added. The first picture in the Infobox can possibly be changed. Or links to those websites could be added?

Here is one for starters:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=347144&page=580 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:7900:ADE1:A1DE:250:56FF:FEA6:404 (talk) 13:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.127.54.163 (talk) 10:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

T2
There are two sections on Terminal 2, the article would be improved if they were merged together with intelligence and insight. --Bejnar (talk) 02:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The new T2 will be inaugurated in a few days, we should see the merging of the two sections soon after that. Trinidade (talk) 15:29, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

T2 has been designed with theme "gardens in airport". About 5,000 square feet of landscape which covers arrival, departure, parking, shopping areas are green areas. Even some walls have got green plants embedded in shells, called Greenwall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkdhortitech (talk • contribs) 08:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Nope! No effort seems to be being made to consolidate the sections and integrate the "expansion" section. --Bejnar (talk) 10:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Worst Airport Designation
There is a history of this airport receiving low marks in quality from visitors (especially non-Indians). See for example here and here. Perhaps some of this information should be included. VarunRajendran (talk) 12:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've finally added this. More history about how the surrounding slums make it impossible to expand should also be added. Jpatokal (talk) 04:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sanjay Jadhav: In the beginning, the article incorrectly cites Chhatrapati Shivaji as Emperor. He is always referred as Kind and never referred as Emperor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.122.237 (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Added Iraqi Airways (IA) flying BOM-NJF-BGW
Currently, there is an IA flight from BOM-NJF-BGW, which has been added to the list. The full list is available at http://www.csia.in/aero-marketing/route-map.aspx and http://www.csia.in/aero-marketing/airlines.aspx. PrimusUrbisIndis 12:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

T2 history
The Terminals section only talks of the 'new T2' and not of the original terminal. I have added a one liner there. I think the section should have some of the elements incorporated from the history section. What do you guys say? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , I think its getting a bit confusing. Perhaps we can re arrange sections like in the  JFK article, which has a Current Terminal section and a separate Previous Terminals section. Once some or all domestic operations shift to T2 later this year, then even T1 might be listed there. Thanks Trinidade (talk) 06:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good enough. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

GA nomination
Hello User:Dongar Kathorekar! The article lacks on many aspects to become a GA. The review would be quick fail given poor quality references and unsourced sections. Its better if you revert your nomination and put more efforts in cleaning and then maybe try again later. How many more article have you blindly nominated?! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Amen. As I stated earlier, best to wait for Delhi Airport, which is a GA nom, to succeed and then use it as a precedent. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Dharmadhyaksha, Please use a sensible tone of reply, i have not blindly nominated any article for GA. You are replying blindly without analysing the articles weakpoints and strengths. Dongar Kathorekar (talk) 11:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm!!! Fine! Carry on! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Museum within the airport
Hey. The airport has a museum spread across the international arrival/departure areas. Could someone who knows better about it update the article with details please? I got some pictures of some of the display items:

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2017
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Original name of Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport
It is stated in the article that the original name of Mumbai CSI airport was Sahar International Airport. It was never known as Sahar International Airport. I made a correction, but it seems that it was reverted. The author should clarify his source and justify. Such misleading information will be carried forward by many and will distort history. Tsimonz (talk) 04:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)Thomas Simon 25 January 2013
 * I'm currently looking up archives for a suitable citation. However, It is common knowledge that airports of Indian cities were commonly called after the locations of their main terminal e.g.. Palam (New Delhi), Dum Dum (Calcutta) and Meenabakam (Madras).  in line with this tradition, Bombay airport was called Santacruz post WW2 and Sahar when the new terminal was opened. The airport was 'Named" as part of a naming spree.. Trinidade 05:51, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

when was the airport named Chhatrapati Shivaji International ? Was there a ceremony ? If so, who did the official renaming ? Jonathansammy (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * BJP/SS changed Bombay to Mumbai, so it was about then. But it may have been an INC sop.Lihaas (talk) 10:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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About Hub for Air Deccan
Hi, Air Deccan is mentioned in HUBs but it's scheduled destinations aren't mentioned in Airlines and destinations. So Deccan air should be removed from HUBs column.649pardeep (talk) 08:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Updation of statistics
I want to update the traffic statistics of the airport for calendar year 2016 until fiscal year (April 2016 to March 2017) stats are uploaded by AAI on their official website in May this year. I want to do this using same methodology as in Kempegowda International Airport and Rajiv Gandhi International Airport. I had earlier done this but got reverted by User:LeoFrank who cited WP:SYNTH as reason according to which addition of statistics from different sources is not permissible. I don't understand this. First of all, all the sources are published monthwise by AAI only and moreover I had syncretised them into one source as reports. I had prepared three separate sources for Passenger movements, Aircraft movements and Freight using this methodology. This same methodology as I said has been used to calculate calendar year statistics in "good articles" Kempegowda International Airport and Rajiv Gandhi International Airport. When I pointed this to User:LeoFrank, he pointed WP:OSE. I don't understand how these policies (WP:SYNTH and WP:OSE), are applicable only on this article of Mumbai Airport and not on above mentioned two articles which feature among "good articles" of Wikipeda. Afterall, all these articles are airport articles. Statistics of every Indian airport article are derived from Airports Authority of India sources.

I want to update 2016 statistics in same manner for Mumbai Airport. Please guide me whether I am right or wrong in my approach. If I am right, give me more and more approvals as I need consensus for this edit. Vibhss (talk) 15:40, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd appreciate if you had somewhere statistics presenting passenger traffic per calendar year (and not fiscal year), so that I could populate Wikidata with. The trouble is that data is only available per indian fiscal year, so it's confusing... --Bouzinac (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

November 2019
180.150.112.52, you are making unconstructive original search laden edits here.
 * Your sentence framing "In July 2015, a man climbed the airport fence and "tried to kill"" is wrong. That sentence doesn't make any sense. Tried to kill what? I on the other hand wrote "tried to commit suicide" which is sourced as well as the person being mentally unstable is well sourced.
 * You are using the term "Fence" which is not sourced in the references. There it says "Wall". - A case of original research. Sourced here
 * Both the incidents clearly mention Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) in the sources and we should use it. CISF comes under Indian Police Service, but has its own rank scheme and notably a distinct entity within it. We should mention it as it is sourced like that.
 * On 24 May 2003, a Central Industrial Security Force constable shot dead his deputy superintendent after being refused leave. - The perp being a CISF personnel is clearly sourced.here and here
 * He held six colleagues hostage, but later surrendered to the police. - The fact that he hold his collegues hostage is sourced here. He surrendered to the "police" since this Time so India source says he "gave uo in the presence of Deputy Commissioner of Police Bipin Bihari".
 * On top of that, you are rendering one source bare which I've filled using CS tempaltes. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT
Hi, it is regarding this removal. I believe a few of those incidents pass WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT as per this section, since they involve aircrafts and people on ground close to the craft directly. Them being:
 * On 4 September 2009, Air India Flight 829 a Boeing 747–437 flying on the Mumbai-Riyadh route caught fire at the Airport. The fire started in number one engine while the aircraft was taxiing to Runway 27 for take-off. An emergency evacuation was carried out with no injuries among the 228 people (213 passengers and 15 crew) on board. - (as per The accident involved hull loss or serious damage to the aircraft or airport)
 * In December 2015, an Air India service engineer died in a freak accident after being sucked into the engine of an aeroplane during pushback. The Air India flight was bound for Hyderabad. - (as per "The accident was fatal to either the aircraft occupants or persons on the ground)

- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:14, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Fylindfotberserk: For the incident of AI 829, the linked website, does not navigate to the article of the incident, but rather the home page of the website. So, there is no way to assert serious damage or hull loss per the notability.
 * For the incident regarding the engineer getting sucked in, it is probably debatable given that there was no accident to the aircraft per say (either from other aircraft or pilot error) causing any fatality to ground or onboard passengers. We can discuss this further to see if it can be included. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 03:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * AI 829 - The NDTV source was possibly moved. Last time I checked that myself. Anyway, I got the updated link here. Another source from The Hindu here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * AI 619 - As for the second one, an "accident" did happen involving a "ground staff" and an aircraft. I believe it passes this.

- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Fylindfotberserk:, Alright. I am still half convinced, but you can go ahead and restore these two incidents. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 14:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you ping anyone else, so that we can get another opinion? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Jetstreamer: Could you weigh in on this discussion? &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 15:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Any suggestion/opinion on this? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I believe they're both notable, my quick but limited reading about the first incident suggests that the fire was caused due to a fuel leak as a result of poor maintenance procedures and certain lapses in protocol by the pilots. The aircraft sustained severe damages and had to be written off as a result, all of which are in line with the notability guidelines as per The accident involved hull loss or serious damage to the aircraft or airport. The second incident definitely ought to be part of the article since it involved a fatal accident.  Pro lix 💬 18:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Nice find BTW. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm in doubt about including AI829 here. Given that it shows maintenance deficiencies it should fit better in the airline article. The second incident definitely qualifies for inclusion.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 23:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Since that incident took place in this airport, shouldn't we be including that as per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It was a hull-loss so it meets the requirements.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 12:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like we are in agreement. I'm going to re-add those two with updated links. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Cool.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 18:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)