Talk:Chibi Vampire/Archive 1

Novels
Tokyopop has released the first of the spin-off mystery novels. 67.183.123.111 03:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
The characters section is a mess, and the information is spattered with opprobrious references and colloquialisms which render the information in the article beyond the comprehension of someone not thouroughly immensed in both the Anime subculture and Japanese culture. Ktemkin 22:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this article need to be cleaned up. In fact, the whole page needs to be scraped and redone with the manga and the anime kepted separate with different pictures and information. And there seems to be a page named List of Karin characters and yet there is a list of characters on the this page. --ZinnKid 06:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to explain some changes I have been making to this article. There has been discussion about the title "karin (manga)" v. the presence of mainly anime information. It seems to me that the title is simply to disambiguate Karin from other, unrelated entries.

There is also the issue that the English edition of the manga (at least in the USA) has a different title. I think it makes sense to think of this article as being about the story Karin, which exists in various media and under varying titles. I would note that even Tokyopop refer to Chibi Vampire as "Karin" when discussing the manga author.

Anyway, as a start in trying to straighten things out in this direction I have recast the intro paragraph, showing Karin as a story which was commissioned by a manga magazine and then took on further formats. As such, the story idea takes central place and is thus also included right at the start of the article: in the first omake Kagesaki says that the commissioning editor wanted a story about a vampire whose blood multiplies; Kagesaki saw this as an opportunity to create a cute vampire with enormous nose bleeds: and so Karin was born. I think such an angle, i.e. covering the origins and development of the story and not just making a character/episode guide befits an encyclopedia article.

Most of the article is still about the anime however. I have tweaked it a little to move the anime-only character Winner to the end, and note in the plot summary where the anime and manga diverge. A lot of work remains to be done to sort out the core story and the differences between manga, anime and novels. Also most of the article still reads like a fansite. I don't anticipate doing very much further editing to the character/plot sections myself though I may try to reword sections so they read more like a reference article than a fanpage. I'm agnostic on whether anime/manga/novels should have separate plot/character sections or whether it is possible to keep the current format and just annotate any important differences. It may be that the manga will actually converge on the anime (there are some signs of this with Anju's awakening) so ultimately the differences may become more a matter of plot timing than irreconcliable differences. --(Hiroyuki 23 April 2007)

A separate section for anime
I've tried editing the article, but it's too messy and convoluted with details. Despite the title of the article being "manga", there are too many references to the anime. I think it should be split up into two separate sections, since there are significant differences between the anime and the manga as well. Yura` 09:21, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Do we have enough manga information though? Karn-b 10:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, it'll be good to get someone who's actually reading the Karin manga to update the details here. I'm following the anime, but apparently there are some deviations from the manga (such as the character Winner, who apparently doesn't exist in the manga at all). Btw, I'm new at this editing thing, and though I'd love to restructure this, I'd probably need help. Yura` 13:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Took out some chunks of unrelated information (as the title specifies 'manga' and not 'anime'). I don't read the manga, so considerable help from someone who reads the manga would be appreciated!

I'll try to get a hold of the Karin manga soon. However, virtually all of the character details are still based on the anime version. Perhaps when we get more information we should split the article into two main sections: manga and anime.

Karn-b 14:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am only able to follow the anime, so all of my help will be limited in that area. A section with differences between the manga and the anime would be a good idea, but the likelyhood of finding someone who knows the manga is a bit iffy. Searching for some translated manga would be the easiest course of action (are we allowed to talk about such things?). For informational purposes of course. --SeizureDog 00:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I feel that this page should now be split into two: a "Chibi Vampire" page to cover the manga, and a "Karin (anime)" page for the anime. --SeizureDog 23:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

If there's enough information on the manga (still haven't bothered to read it) then I agree. However, in order to keep the information accurate the page should perhaps be called Karin (manga) and Karin (anime), as in Japan the original name is Karin. A redirect page can be used to redirect searches of "chibi Vampire" to the Karin (manga) page. Karn-b 12:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree with you on calling it "Karin (manga)". This is the English Wikipedia, and we should name the articles based on their English counterparts to keep information at its most accurate. Also, my suggestion is not without precedent. A major example would be Case Closed. Notice how the article is not for Detective Conan, its Japanese name. --SeizureDog 08:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I think a new "Karin (manga)" article needs to be written and this article renamed to "Karin (anime)", if possible. From what I can see, most of the text pertains to the Karin animated series, as well as the graphics. In the meantime, I'm gonna go ahead and straighten out some "Japanisms" in this article; mainly changing all the 'Maaka's to 'Marker's and getting the naming conventions uniform. Maybe if time allows, I'll add some Maaka vs. Marker info, as well. ToonPal 01:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I have ordered the latest Karin manga (it just sounds so much better that way) by the way the 3rd comes out on the 12 of December and splitting it up as the anime and manga in different names wont work as the US/UK anime is called the chibi vampire as well. When it comes out next year (3rd or 4th quarter)I'm more than happy to help update in 3 weeks or so Just a note: the direct translation of Karin to english is fruits forest/forest fruits 13:53 30 october 2006

Anime Vs Manga Vs Novel
Remember that this Series is made up from a Manga Series, an TV show, and a series Novels. While the discussion on where Character Bios and this page itself should be broken up is in the above Text. The Manga and the Novels are written (in English) are presented to be interlinked. The page as it stands now should show that. And if it does get broken up the Novel and Manga should be kept together.

Also the Infobox needs a manga section(Larek 19:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC))

Someone had deleted it - I've just restored it. Samatarou 21:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Something I've noticed
I was reading the GetBackers article and I noticed that 'Karin' was the name of Kazuki's theme, and it was noted that it meant 'Flower Bells'. When Karin has a nosebleed the blood is often drawn to look like flowers. Also, particularly in flashbacks of the nosebleed she has in episode 2, I hear a bell sounding. This might be a pun on her name.

Sam 17:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Be bold --Raijinili 21:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to see if this was something that anyone else had noticed. Sam 13:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The depiction of blood as petals or flowers is quite a common motif in anime, I think partly to sanitise the gore at least in the case of children's shows. The name Karin could have several meanings depending on the kanji spelling. In the manga it is only spelt phonetically though AFAIK. The only normal Japanese word pronounced "karin" means "quince". (23 april 2007)

A pun? Probably, "Flower Bells" so pretty that's why "Karin" is on my baby names list -CaptinAsagi —Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptinAsagi (talk • contribs) 19:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Anju's taste in the manga
The eleventh volume of the manga came out yesterday in Japan.

Although I am not very profficient at understanding Japanese, I was able to secure a copy of the volume 11. The storyline for this volume explores Anju's issues as she finally awakens her vampire instinct and interferes with her school life and bringing a strain on her relationship with Karin. I know this because I saw the scans of the pages.

Someone with better understanding, quite more or less. on Japanese wrote a short but complete summary for volume 11. It is stated that Anju's taste for the manga is loneliness.

Take note by the time the anime aired, it deviated drastically from the manga storyline and have neither caught up with the manga. The anime barely adapted about volumes 1, 2, and 5 of the manga, skipping the whole plot from volume 3 and only incorporating a few chapters from volume 4. Afterwards, it took on a different direction from the manga.

For details about the summary on volume 11 go to the following link below. http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=889560&postcount=62 Guido MTY 16:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

kenta usui looks like kurosaki itchigo from bleach

Ah! Lonliness? I thought it was jealousy! It is in the anime! Now I have to change my fanfictions! And, yes he does! I pointed this out to my freinds before, they could be(might be) related! -CaptinAsagi —Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptinAsagi (talk • contribs) 19:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Characters
Since there is already a separate characters page, I think the descriptions on the main page need slimming down to the bare essentials and the bulk of the text moving to the characters page. At present stuff gets randomly added to either one article or the other, some stuff is duplicated, some not. This needs to be got under control by putting all the information in one place. Perhaps the characters page would also be the best place for the character images?

The present character images are fullsize screenshots taken from fansub.tv and are due for deletion unless someone defends them. Personally I'm not going to defend full size images, also we need manga images too. What would be good is a low-res dual image of each character showing the anime and manga versions side by side, this comparison will give a justification for having the images. Samatarou 04:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Karin's taste
I just want to clear up Karin's taste in blood since someone tried to change it to "misfortune", and ISTR this has happened before. Her taste is stated to be "fukou". EDICT defines it as:

不幸 [ふこう] (adj-na,n) unhappiness, sorrow, misfortune, disaster, accident, death, (P)

So the word is ambiguous, which seems to be the cause of the contention over what is the correct translation. But from both the manga and anime it seems clear that the trait involved is unhappiness/sorrow, not misfortune/disaster/etc. We can also prove this by simple logic: Kenta's mother suffers both unhappiness and misfortune (i.e. bad luck). When Karin bites her, she loses her unhappiness but not her bad luck (she's still unable to hold down a job). Since Karin's bite removes the trait she has a taste for, it follows that her taste is unhappiness not misfortune. Samatarou 05:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Changing the main by your logic, since we apparently don't have a source either way. (If we do, it should be referenced, even if just in a footnote saying it comes from an official English translation.)

-- trlkly 03:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Opening and Ending Music
I was thinking that since all the other wikipedia anime pages have it, why not put what the songs are that are used in the opening and ending and put who does them (band or singer)? 68.111.96.110 02:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Winner's nationality
As the token gaijin in the series, I was just wondering what is Winner's nationality? I swear I heard Kenta refer to him once as "the Romanian". --Candy-Panda 14:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sinclair is a Scottish name, so I assumed he was British, though as a vampire hunter an origin somewhere in Central Europe would be more plausible, for his ancestors at least. A lot of the original Dracula story takes place in Whitby (England), but the vampire hunter in that was German IIRC. Samatarou 19:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)