Talk:Chicago Machine

Discussion
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I feel bad for the next season. I think I read something about their average attendance being around 1,800 or so. And now they're going to play in a 14,000 seat stadium. They couldn't fill the seats of Benedictine University, its going to look awfully damn empty in there. Thinking about picking up season tickets though. JN322 05:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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Need for disambiguation
According to "What links here" in the toolbox, currently several dozen wikilinks point here from lacrosse articles and two from political articles. Hugh (talk) 06:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:DISAMBIG: "Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead." Two or more, not three or more. Hugh (talk) 06:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguate, don't redirect to Cook County dems
Redirecting Chicago Machine to Cook County Democratic Organization without disambiguation is too strong. Many members of the Cook County Dems are not members of the "Chicago Machine" and do not self-identify as such, to take two recent obvious examples Mayors Washington and Orr were loyal card-carrying Cook County Dems but they and most others would not consider them machine. Conversely, there have been a handful of Cook County Republicans who might for all practical purposes be considered to participate in a "Chicago Machine." So "Chicago Machine" and "Cook County Democratic Organization" are NOT two different names for the same thing. If anything a "Chicago Machine" might be considered a subset within the Cook County Democratic Organization. As a suggestion the Cook County Democratic Organization might have a subtopic of "Chicago Machine." Personally I don't see a separate article for "Chicago Machine" because I think it will be too much of a POV fork, where a "Chicago Machine" article would tend to attract the more base events (nepotism, patronage, corruption, indictments, convictions, etc.) and segregate content that more properly enhances neutrality by being integrated in other articles such as those of the individual actors.

Also, at least in terms of internal wikilinks, as of now the lacrosse team might be considered the primary topic of Chicago Machine. Recently an editor has added the Chicago Machine wl to a few Chicago politics articles so maybe it is time to surface this and deal with it. Hugh (talk) 17:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Fate of Chicago Machine
Who follows pro Major League Lacrosse ? because I do not. But I read the Ohio Machine article as explaining that the Chicago Machine ORGANIZATION settled in Rochester even as an expansion team in Ohio team picked up the NAME "Machine." So I disambiguated "Chicago Machine' to Rochester Rattlers rather than Ohio. What is your understanding? thanks! Hugh (talk) 17:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It is not so much that team moved to Rochester, but the league consider the new Roch team(old chicago) to be part of the old Rochester team (that moved to Canada) sort of like how the NFL treates the Browns. A better way than to try to direct Machine people to Rochester is just create Chicago Machine (MLL) Smith03 (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)