Talk:Chicago rat hole

Capitalize Rat and Hole in the name
I can't figure out how to change the name myself, but I think "Rat" and "Hole" should be capitalized so that the article title reads as "Chicago Rat Hole". Kevron17 (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


 * While the original tweet capitalizes all three words in the name, it seems like most sources don't capitalize the "rat hole". Since there's no real consensus, I think we should stick to the WP:LOWERCASE. BanjoZebra  (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it should be capitals, because all other tourist attractions are capitalized. great wall of china
 * taj mahal Bigwiggy (talk) 22:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Filling in of the rat hole
It appears some vandal has filled in the rat hole.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/the-chicago-rat-hole-is-no-longer-a-hole-it-appears-to-have-been-filled-in/3332440/ SeizureSaladdd (talk) 18:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2600:1002:B06A:CFA7:7114:54AB:AF58:4A19 (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * honestly the worst thing to happen in 2024 so far. I live nowhere near Chicago and honestly was planning a pilgrimage to go see it SeizureSaladdd (talk) 18:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How can we get this onto Recent deaths BanjoZebra  (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Need a new "Wikipedia:Recent revivals" section BanjoZebra  (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The Rat Hole has been uncovered
https://twitter.com/cementdrinker1/status/1748415399585017985?s=46&t=RrbJ-7QvUdSQCYNCuoXBrw the rat hole is saved. 2600:1700:7B30:1BA0:BDD5:7C29:A3C:8CDE (talk) 19:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Promising! Let's wait to incorporate this into the article until a better source emerges. BanjoZebra  (talk) 19:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I was there about an hour after that tweet. From various reliable sources it was partially excavated, but is now only 3/4in - 1in deep. In theory any cement that is left won't settle properly and will probably be easily removed once it warms up, if it isn't excavated before then some other way. Piemadd (talk) 20:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * albeit it being only partially excavated, does it still need “was”? 2600:100D:B114:9EAA:FC93:DCEC:359B:3408 (talk) 20:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * NVM, we are so (pardon my french) fucking back. Updating the article now. https://x.com/TylerLaRiviere/status/1748444338852401650?s=20 Piemadd (talk) 20:44, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We are SO back!!! SeizureSaladdd (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * YESSSSSSSS 146.168.26.207 (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Rat Hole excavation
At the end of the article this page cites to say that the Rat Hole has been vandalized, it eludes to the fact that there has been/ will be an effort to excavate and restore the Rat Hole. Is that worth adding as an addendum to the statement saying it has been filled? LaneMitchell (talk) 19:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Feel free to disregard, you folks are fast! LaneMitchell (talk) 20:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Rat Hole Shrine
I feel like more information should be included on the recent pop cultural impact of the rat hole and the construction of the shrine. ElectricsquidXD (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * On this topic, the photo of the Rat Hole Shrine in the article is marked as Public Domain. Is there a source anywhere proving that to be the case? Did the photographer release the photo into the Public Domain? If not, the photo should probably be removed. BanjoZebra  (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * how would I link a photo I found in a tweet if i had the user's permission? ElectricsquidXD (talk) 21:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * because I cited a tweet that included that image ElectricsquidXD (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Either the original photographer needs to upload the photo to Commons themselves, or you need to get express written permission from the photographer that states the image's license, and link to that permission in the Commons upload. BanjoZebra  (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have multiple images of the shrine I am uploading now, we can use one of them. Piemadd (talk) 00:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the third image in the gallery, that is my own work. I have released it under public domain. See the topic below this one for more (and better) images though. Piemadd (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This was about a different image! Yours is great. Banjo Zebra  (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

My Images of the Hole/Shrine
I have uploaded multiple photos of the hole and shrine in the public domain which can be used in this article. I highly recommend that others upload their work as well. Here is a list:


 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_Rat_Hole_Memorial_at_Night.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_Rat_Hole_and_Memorial_at_Night.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_rat_hole_memorial_sign.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_rat_hole_memorial_%22In_memory_of_Chimley%22.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vial_of_Estradiol_at_the_Chicago_Rat_Hole_Memorial.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Chicago_Rat_Hole_Memorial_during_the_day.jpg Piemadd (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Did you mean to release those under CC BY-SA or CC0? Both of them would allow the pictures to be used, but CC0 is the actual public domain licence. Unbeatable101 (talk) 01:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't realize that CC BY-SA wasn't public domain. I did intend to do that, but my mistake using the wrong terminology. Piemadd (talk) 01:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Piemadd, I have fixed that for you, but if you wish to return to CC BY-SA feel free to do so, as the images are yours and I was the one that changed their license. Thanks for uploading them and also for (intending to) license them under CC0. Regards, RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Capitalizing
Since "Chicago rat hole" is a name of a location, shouldn't all 3 words have capitalized letters (Chicago Rat Hole)? — IмSтevan  talk 14:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Even though the original tweet capitalized all three words, the NYT, Chicago Sun-Times, and NBC Chicago do not capitalize the "rat hole" part of the name. We should keep it as is since there's no consensus. Banjo Zebra  (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Significance of estradiol pills and injectable estradiol vial
I’m guessing this is likely something to do with some transfem folks/trans women feeling cheeky, but if there are any online posts or information about the motivation of the folks who put that stuff there, it may make sense to mention that. Right now the estradiol might be very confusing to folks and I feel it would add value to explain why, if we can find any source as to why.

I mean, that stuff’s not cheap! Dvallin (talk) 06:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The pills probably would keep their potency if kept in the plastic, but I dunno about the injectable stuff without refrigeration. And of course taking 'found' medicine is a risky proposition, but I wonder if the sentiment wasn't "oh, you are a pilgrim to the hole? have some skittles". Anyway, the expense probably adds to the votive value. Arlo James Barnes 19:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

The rat hole has been removed
https://apnews.com/article/chicago-rat-hole-removed-ac59434dcb7a72e93e6420b6e59ab56b Sister-Ray-6851 (talk) 05:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)