Talk:Chickenhawk (gay slang)

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 * It is a common trait of the classic Chickenhawk to "groom" potential prey over protracted periods of time, even many years, as in the case of offending family members, or among older, sometimes elderly, men who attract groups of neighbourhood youths with enticements of children's idles (candy or baseball cards, for example.) Gradually gaining the trust of even the children's parents/guardians, he might then exploit them within the relative safety of his social esteem.


 * It is supposed that sexual predators, including paedophiles, and indeed those of any sexual orientation, can sometimes find mutual affirmation within small groups of the like-minded, leading to a sort of positive-feedback loop of psychosexual "Chickenhawking" pathology. "Rape Gangs" are known to occur in American prisons, wherein otherwise heterosexual men can be conditioned to feign enjoyment in homosexual sex, whether forced or (semi-)consentual. Indeed, this same sort of ingroup peer reinforcement can motivate roving bands of armed paramilitary rape gangs in African civil wars, older boys who ply younger girls with drugs and alcohol, groups of openly gay men who recruit at-risk youth in large cities (especially street involved and drug addicted youth, often using younger, already-initiated individuals as procurers) and even to lofty pseudophilosophical justification in the case of NAMBLA and the Pederasts of ancient Greece.

These paragraphs seem to be about pedophila generally and not chickenhawks specifically. Plus, they are unsourced. Provide sources, and make the material conform to the article topic or they stay here. -Seth Mahoney 22:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Material on political use
In the past five years, I have heard the term "chickenhawk" use most often in a non-sexual context, as a slur by liberals against conservatives who support an aggressive foreign policy while avoiding military service themselves. I think this use ought to be added to the page.


 * If you can find sources, by all means add it. -Smahoney 03:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing that meets the criterion for reliable sources, but the polical references are substantially clogging an effort to search and provide proper sourcing and context for this article.. Spazure 14:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have been slacking on this. However, I've also never, ever, ever heard the word used for anyone but an older gay man chasing younger gay men or boys. But our main definition now says "Any person of higher status seeking someone of lower status" as if a young Brahmin man in India who pursued elderly Untouchables could reasonably be classed as a "chickenhawk." Should this be altered? Dan B † Dan D 20:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the political realm could be co-opting the term. In political speak it's common to use hawk and dove as universal terms speaking to aggressors/adversarial (hawks) verses doves - an international sign of peace. Chickenhawk would seems to suggest that not only is someone an aggressor but they target children or the naive or young projects and weaker targets. I imagine the term will creep into mainstream use and then can be added as an evolution of the term. Benjiboi 03:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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I've removed: From the See also section as it seems like a really bad idea to list people there on what can be regarded as a pejorative term. It would be best to simply add their names into the general text and in context with reliable sourcing that indicates they identify as or are considered chicken hawks. -- Banj e b oi   02:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * William S. Burroughs
 * Allen Ginsburg
 * Mark Foley

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US vs UK use?
This would clearly need more sourcing but I note the variance in US vs UK use, and I'm wondering if the US use is so focused on man/boy connotations? I collect & read a lot of crime based pulp series (ie Mack Bolan: The Executioner, Remo Williams: The Destroyer, etc) that became popular in the late 60s to mid 70s, and in multiple scenes in works of that time they describe men waiting at, say, bus stations in major cities watching for unaccompanied teens arriving so they can recruit the youths for prostitution. Gender's not an issue, it's female teens as often, if not more often, than male. Worth looking in to? JamesG5 (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)