Talk:Chief Keef/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Jacedc (talk · contribs) 20:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this article for GA status. Generally what I like to do is fix minor things myself, but anything that I think might be better to discuss or have the nominator fix I'll leave here. Once all issues are addressed I'll leave a final GA checklist and act accordingly.


 * Lead
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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That's all for the lead. I will review the following sections IAM. Jacedc (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * &sect; Early life
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ❌ Cozart dropped out of Dyett High School at age 15. Citation 4 (Interview Magazine) supports that Keef dropped out at age 15. Citation 5 (formerly 7; Chicago Sun-Times) supports that Keef went to Dyett High School. Citation 4 does not support the Dyett part and Citation 5 does not support what age he dropped out at, so I have to use both. I'll try to elaborate on this sentence, since Keef has commented on dropping out of high school. Soulbust (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh, okay. My bad. Thanks for the clarification. Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh, okay. My bad. Thanks for the clarification. Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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That's all for this section. More sections to follow. Jacedc (talk) 20:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * &sect; Music career
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 * &sect; 2011–2013: Early years, Finally Rich, and subsequent mixtapes
 * ✅ Standardized the article to refer to consistently refer him as Keef. Soulbust (talk) 06:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Standardized the article to refer to consistently refer him as Keef. Soulbust (talk) 06:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ I added "(see Legal issues section below)" rather than an elaboration in that section. I'm not sure if you'd prefer the latter instead, but let me know which is better Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I added "(see Legal issues section below)" rather than an elaboration in that section. I'm not sure if you'd prefer the latter instead, but let me know which is better Soulbust (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * That's it for this section as far as a once-over goes. I will probably revisit this later on in the review. One thing I want to say is the organization of the sources is sloppy. I would highly suggest using shortened foot notes, or at least listing named ref tags inside of a reflist template. Additionally, most of the cite web templates aren't completed. Many parameters that could be filled are missing, or some of them are misplaced. For instance,  should be replaced with  . The website parameter italicizes its content by default, so no need for the double-parentheses. Plus, links can be provided for both the magazine and its publisher. Just one example. Jacedc (talk) 21:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * &sect; 2014–present: Bang 3, Nobody, and The Cozart
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ I kept the exact dates for release dates of mixtapes and the death of Mario "Blood Money" Hess
 * ✅ I kept the exact dates for release dates of mixtapes and the death of Mario "Blood Money" Hess


 * The article's documentary narrative needs to go. "Keef would go on to state", "Keef would later release", "The artist would later announce". It's not an appropriate choice of narrative for an encyclopedic article. Keep it simple instead of wordy. (I.e. "Keef stated", "Keef later released", "The artist later announced", etc.) See here.
 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 21:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Bang 3, entitled Bang 4, as a preview of sorts. Either drop "of sorts" or replace it with a word/phrase that conveys a more encyclopedic tone.
 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Although they are now citations 52 and 53, they were redundant but I expanded this topic a bit to incorporate 53 in a non-redundantģ way Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Although they are now citations 52 and 53, they were redundant but I expanded this topic a bit to incorporate 53 in a non-redundantģ way Soulbust (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)




 * &sect; Other ventures
 * Glo Gang
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 06:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * &sect; Personal life
 * ✅ Jacedc (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ I reloacted the information to the Music Career section, but are you asking me to rename the "Music career" section to "History" or are you asking something else? Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I reloacted the information to the Music Career section, but are you asking me to rename the "Music career" section to "History" or are you asking something else? Soulbust (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * &sect; Legal issues
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * God this kid likes trouble. I digress...
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 07:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ I moved citation 101 (formerly 108) to the end of the paragraph, so that as with prior examples, the citation doesn't need to be used in previous sentences of the same paragraph. Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I moved citation 101 (formerly 108) to the end of the paragraph, so that as with prior examples, the citation doesn't need to be used in previous sentences of the same paragraph. Soulbust (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * &sect; Image
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * ✅ I'm assuming you were suggesting the "of sorts" part of this sentence be removed. Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct. Jacedc (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I'm assuming you were suggesting the "of sorts" part of this sentence be removed. Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct. Jacedc (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


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 * ❌ I reworded and better explained the situation to keep it in the "Hip Hop feuds" section Soulbust (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me. Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me. Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Reviewer comments
Okay, I've reviewed the prose as much as I can. I'm putting it On hold for now. Good luck, Jacedc (talk) 18:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments
Hi! Thank you for beginning to review this article for GA assessment. I have a few comments, and will likely make some more later. Soulbust (talk) 00:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * About the Interscope and 1017 Brick Squad suggestion, I might reword it an other way than you suggest because he was signed to both simultaneously for a period of time.
 * About standardizing the article by either referring to him as Cozart or Keef, I don't quite understand how that would work, because in some situations it would make more sense to refer to him as Cozart (especially in the personal life and legal issues sections) and in others it would be more fitting to use Keef (career and image sections), but if it is only one for the entire article I think it would be best to go with Keef.
 * I will be making edits to fit your suggestions soon, thanks :)
 * One: Yes, feel free to reword it however you want to. It's just a little awkward as it currently is.
 * Two: I definitely think it needs to be consistent. At least within a section. For instance, the first paragraph in the first subsection of the musical career section uses "Keef" and "Cozart" back-to-back. That's mainly what I'm talking about. If you feel you must split it up from section-to-section, that's fine, as long as it's logical enough for the average/casual reader to pick up on.
 * I will get to reviewing the rest of the article probably tomorrow. I'm guessing you'll have enough work to do until then. I've read the whole thing now I'm going to go back and nit-pick it a little bit more, leaving comments here. Jacedc (talk) 03:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * So, it took me a few hours, but I was able to address most of your concerns and suggestions. The one major thing left for me to do is move the references into the actual reflist, and change use the ref names in the prose. But it's really late for me and I've gotten tired, so I'll work on that soon. Thanks Soulbust (talk) 08:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. Good work! Jacedc (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've done another quick glance over the article and I've already reviewed the sources for reliability. Since the only thing really left is the organization of sources and some minor prose/grammatical issues I'll give this another 7 days before passing or failing; can't believe it's already been 7 days since I initially put it on hold :P While I do think this article could stand to have a WP:GCE, there's nothing super major that stands out to me anymore, so I'll leave that up to the discretion of the nominator. One other thing I would like to comment on is maybe cutting back on all of the images of other artists; a couple are okay, but this currently has five. I would personally suggest nixing the Lupe Fiasco picture, Gucci Mane picture, and the Kanye West picture. It'd be one thing if it were a picture of them sitting in the studio together or something, or maybe just posing together, but these feel rather random and out of place. Jacedc (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, another thing I'll bring up, the text starting after In December 2012 ... in the Early life section I think should go in the Early years, Finally Rich, and subsequent mixtapes (2011–2013) section. Firstly because that stuff isn't really about his early life, rather his early career, and the information is more or less repeated in the latter section. This leaves the early life section pretty short, so I would suggest renaming "Music career" to "Life and career", then adding a third-level "Early life" subsection under that. It's up to you how you want to handle that, though. Jacedc (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Soulbust (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Great job so far. Only a few things left! I recently struck out all of the ✅ points and double-checked the corrections. This article's really close. :) Jacedc (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)




 * I think the first few sentences in &sect; Person life should be moved to &sect; Early life.  19:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Final review

 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
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 * ✅  20:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Pass/Fail:

Congratulations, this article is passed. 20:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)