Talk:Chien-Ming Wang

Updating
I can understand the temptation to update this page with every CMW start, but a good player page should give an overview and highlights, not a play-by-play of a guy's career. I suggest removing the mention of Wang's most recent start. The complete game shutout was a milestone, but the August 2 start wasn't an historic moment in Wang's career. These pages could get very cluttered and dense if every player bio gets updated after every start. We can just add links to game log databases like Yahoo for that kind of minutia.

Agreed.

Excessive Vandalism from User:205.188.116.13
I reviewed the editing history in this article, and I found multiple edits of vandalism by an anonymous user identified with its user IP 205.188.116.13. The last warning on his vandalization was August 2nd, 2006, yet he chose to disregard the warning and continue to vandalize the article. A block should be implemented upon the user for excessive attempt of vandalization. --Vic226 01:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Complete Game or Not?
"He recorded his first complete game on June 18, 2006 against the Washington Nationals, but it was a bittersweet accomplishment as he allowed a 1-out, 2-run, walk-off home run by Ryan Zimmerman to lose the game 3-2."

To be technical, Wang only pitched 8 1/3 (or, in baseball calculation, 8.1) innings when he allowed the 2-run walk-off home run by Zimmerman. I'm skeptical that this was still counted as a complete game, as I recognize the definition of complete game as pitching a minimum of 27 outs, 9 innings, by the starting pitcher. --Vic226 01:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * what are you talking about?? a complete game is a complete game which by one of the many definition is "A statistic credited to a pitcher who pitches an entire game without relief" and it also says that a complete game can either be a win or a loss. where do you get the definition of "27 outs" ??? so, if the visitor pitcher has a no-hitter but loses the game (someone makes an error and then the runner ends up scoring) how do you want him to get the other 3 outs??? he would still be credited with a complete game no-hitter because a pitched for the WHOLE GAME, which in his case was 24 outs. In Wang's case he pitched 8 1/3 innings, and he pitched the WHOLE GAME, so how isnt't that a "complete game" Don't assume things, look things up, this is not the first time this is happen so you should be "skeptical" that all those games are call complete games. I don't get what your skeptism has to do in the "Chien-Ming Wang Discussion Page" seriously, i don't get it. --CesarCossio 07:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * oh, and by the way, please learn to quote things, don't just "copy and paste" things from the article. worst, you didn't even put quotation marks. --CesarCossio 07:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, forgive me for being such a reckless Wikipedian rookie. That is if my ignorant skepticism had made you so mad like this at any point. However, to be honest, I couldn't see any reason for you to shout at me as if I have previous convictions for making stupid comments before checking. --Vic226 14:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, I have never intended to start any verbal argument like this. No, I did not expect that everyone in here is nice, but what I could see so far is that most of them are. It must be rare to meet someone like you. --Vic226 14:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * dude, i didn't get mad, why in the world would i get mad over something like this? If you feel offended in any way well, i can't do anything about that and i don't understand how you got the impression that 1. i got mad and 2. that i "shout at you". I was just explaining what a complete game was and giving examples and asking a question, then i went on and asked you to look things up BEFORE you write about something that you are not sure 'cause like i said that wasnt the first time this has happen. I don't get your skepticism, that's it, i don't get why would anyone be skeptical about that and i don't get why would you put that in here? why not going to the "Complte Game" article and say what you think there since that would make 100% sense but Chien-Ming Wang article?? This talk page should be about HIM and things that would make the article better not about what a complete game is or should be and as i said before i can't make you think i'm nice, if you think i'm "not nice" just because i gave you an answer then okay, whatever. --CesarCossio 19:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think he meant perfect game in his question. --Borgarde 16:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Watch for Soliciting Web Links
I've removed several links to 1) Personal website claiming to be the "official site", 2) Touring agency website. We should restrict the links to MLB, ESPN, reputable news media, and sports-statistics sites. Please watch. Kenimaru 02:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * As stated in talk, Nlu has requested that I start a discussion here to discuss the validity of placing http://www.chien-ming.com/ in the external links of this wiki page. It also appears in the Chinese language wiki for CM Wang.


 * I look forward to constructive criticism, and as I am new to the community, explanations would be greatly appreciated! Lawrenceku 03:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No offense intended, but the addition of your site would, I believe, violate WP:EL's guideline that one should not add a site that one is affiliated with (#3) and a link that is intended to promote a site (#4). I do not believe it to be appropriate.  Although, of course, I'd like to hear what other people think.  --Nlu (talk) 04:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that the only violation, if there is any, would be #4, as I am not affiliated with that website in any way. Lawrenceku 18:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I would rather object the adding of the site to the article, as it appears to be very likely a blog/fan site in general. For one, the news section merely acts as a portal to other news sites. Just because the Chinese Wiki (or Wiki of any language, in general) has the link does not make it automatically qualified as an external link. Vic226 03:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace
Can someone please point to one official MLB website, publication or sports network that lists Wang as being born anyplace other than Taiwan? If you don't have a source, please stop trying to shoehorn in Republic of China. Remember that as per WP:BLP, unsourced information, including original research, in biographies of living people should be removed aggressively. Additionally, as per WP:VERIFY, the threshold for inclusion of information into Wikipedia is verifiability - not truth. The following reliable sources list Wang as being born in Taiwan: ,,, , - and that's barely scratching the surface. Yankees76 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

How hard is it to grasp a little history? Taiwan has been a part of the Republic of China from 1945, how's that original research? It's not even a stretch to say that Chen was born in the ROC. His passport is embroidered "Republic of China", believe it or not. His Identity Card also says "Republic of China," just like everybody else who were born and have residency in Taiwan. To me it seems ridiculous to be requested to find some site that says he's born in place "other than" Taiwan? Unlike mainland Chinese media, we're not saying he was born in China or the PRC or anywhere else. It's like going great lengths trying to find a biography that states Bono from U2 was born in any place other than Ireland when someone tries to "shoehorn" that he was born in the "Republic of Ireland". This is pretty much all I have to say about the matter. BlueShirts 19:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice strawman argument, but I still don't see a source. I've already posted five that say Taiwan and not Republic of China. How hard is it to find a source and simply post it? Surely if you're correct there must be hundreds of sources that say Republic of China. But, just for fun, here are 3 more that say Taiwan. Yankees76 22:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, yankees.com says he's from Taiwan. If you still think he is from the ROC, then I have more reasons:


 * 1) ROC is known as Taiwan, we should always use the common name in Wikipedia.
 * 2) He was born on the island of Taiwan, that is a fact.
 * 3) He identifies himself as a Taiwanese.
 * 4) Using ROC would be confusing.--Jerrypp772000 23:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Jerry, do you ADMIT that Wang is a citizen of the Republic of China? Do you admit that since 1945, Taiwan has been a part of the ROC? I do not understand why it is so hard for yankee to grasp this concept. Even Jerry admits these things. This is the real truth. I cannot believe why yankee cannot understand this simple history. -Nationalist 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Stop adding Republic of China. Taiwan is the common name and should stay as that. --Borgarde 04:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't figure out why this editor refuses to supply one source that says Wang is from the Republic of China. I've supplied 8 that say Taiwan. www.gio.gov.tw, www.president.gov.tw do not even mention anything about Wang! How hard is it to find one source if you're correct? 8 reliable sources say Taiwan. See WP:VERIFY. Yankees76 04:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the links he gives actually contradicts his point. See this article: .  The president calls him "The pride of Taiwan" - Mattingly23 05:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)'

All of the links I give show that the Republic of China is in fact the government that controls Taiwan. -Nationalist 00:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that doesn't show that Chien-Ming Wang was born there. Which is why Taiwan (see 8 verifiable sources above) is the correct answer. Give WP:VERIFY a spin and you'll see why. Yankees76 03:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You guys are ridiculous. How hard is to grasp that all of Taiwan island and province, Tainan city included, is under the current jurisdiction of a government officially called the "Republic of China." If the American educational system had any success imparting any knowledge of world politics, this would not even be a fact need verifying. It's like saying Wang is born in Taiwan but demanding others verify that he was born on planet Earth (what if he was born on Mars?) and being unsatisfied that no source is declaring that Wang was born on Earth...This is obvious folks.

But besides that, is "Republic of China" really necessary here? T. J. Beam for example lists Scottsdale, Arizona as the birthplace, not Scottsdale, Arizona, United States.--Jiang 04:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Post a source. How hard is it? Seems that if every major entity related to Major League Baseball, the New York Yankees and sports broadcasting says one thing, then it's probably a smart move that Wikipedia follow suit. They should make a policy for that. Wait! They already did. Yankees76 04:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Souce to verify what? It's already been verified that Wang was born in Tainan.--Jiang 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See discussion above. 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Two verified facts: 1) Wang Chien-ming was born in Tainan. 2) Tainan is a city administered by a government called the Republic of China. Connect the dots. What more do you want? --Jiang 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's called original research. A verfied fact would be ESPN or MLB.com saying Wang was born in Tainan, Republic of China. It does not, it says Tainan, Taiwan. Again, "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Yankees76 04:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow Yankee and others are acting very silly. They actually do not understand the situation, nor can they bother to listen to Jiang, Blue Shirts, and me, nor can they connect the dots either. It is simply absurd what they are arguing, and calling others strawman arguments. Jiang definitely knows more than you Yankee. He is an admin. -Nationalist 04:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's your opinion, however the warnings on your talk page and your block log seem to indicate otherwise. And according to this list he isn't. This discussion needs to return to considering the content, not the people involved. Yankees76 04:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The category is only for people who tag their user pages. The full list is at List of administrators.

WP:V is for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged. It is not for obvious facts that are not likely to be challenged. Do I have to cite the Oxford English Dictionary every time I use the word "is" to verify that I am using it correctly? The fact that needs to be verified is where Wang was born, which is obscure enough to be disputed, not the nature of the government of Taiwan, which is assumed to be common sense. --Jiang 05:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The nature of the government of Taiwan is far from common sense. Any user looking to verify that Wang was born in the Republic of China will not find that to be the case when they visit all reliable sources on the subject - hence "verifiability, not truth", as per WP:V. Yankees76 05:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not common knowledge, but common sense. Connecting the dots or clicking on the links is common sense. Original research is previously "unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories". None of this constitutes OR.--Jiang 05:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Original research (OR) is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to material that has not been published by a reliable source." Any facts, opinions, interpretations, definitions, and arguments published by Wikipedia must already have been published by a reliable publication in relation to the topic of the article. Wang being born in the Republic of China has not been published by a reliable source. Wang being born in Taiwan has. Yankees76 05:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Not because it is not true or because it is disputed, but because the term "Republic of China" seldom enters the world of sports. You know this is true (I hope). I know this is true. Anyone who comes here will either know this is true or know nothing about at all. This is not something that is disputed. WP:NOR and WP:V is meant to prevent people from putting bogus material in Wikipedia. This qualifies under none of the bullet points of WP:NOR. Oftentimes, we reproduce what is published elsewhere by replacing words with synonyms and switching clauses to avoid plagarizing and copyright infringement. To claim that we cannot assume Taiwan and Republic of China to be related just because they have not been literally linked, word-for-word, by someone else is to overinterpet the WP:V guidline over its spirit and intent.

This source and a few others claim Wang Chien-ming was born in China: "中國台灣出身的美國職棒大聯盟洋基隊投手王建民...". Does this mean we can now say he was born in China? WP:V thinks so.--Jiang 05:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. That took 6 days, 3 editors and nearly 50 posts to finally dig up 1 foreign-language source, but yes, if you think that 66163.com is a reliable third party source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy translate it and add it to "references" and see how long it stays undisputed. Of course I know the whole story regarding ROC - nonetheless, I expect millions of English-speaking people do not - making verifiability in this case important. Wang is a high-profile player known for being Taiwanese, and he plays on the most popular team in the world. Having the English Wikipedia not match any sources related to Wang, the Yankees or Major League Baseball will make this likely to be challenged. And, any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor. Yankees76 06:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The article in the link provided is an article reproduced from the China News Service, which is a reputable news source, but politically biased in favor of (and controlled by) the Chinese Communist Party....which brings us to the effectiveness of verifiability. If people say Wang wasn't born in China, are we going to force them to dig up a source explicitly telling us he was not? What if no source exists, as this is a political issue not quite related to baseball?

People will of course not know about the ROC, but they will find the link to Republic of China a satisfying enough resource. No one (yourself excluded) will accept that he was born in Taiwan but reject that he was born under the jursidiction of a government called the Republic of China, which brings me to question the point of WP:V in this context. This is not a disputed fact - not in this article at least. --Jiang 07:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was extremely confused on what the standpoints are before I remember (just now) one main goal for Wikipedia: to meet the understanding of a general audience. (I forgot the exact wording of it) At this point, who, as an ordinary person checking Wikipedia, really cares whether Chien-Ming Wang was born in Taiwan or Republic of China? Plus, as Jiang pointed out, "Republic of China" is not commonly used in sports (and I don't know if you should find a reliable source for that according to Yankees76), and I don't think anyone would care at all to dig out the whole story between "Taiwan" and "Republic of China". This is an article about Chien-Ming Wang's performance in baseball, not Chien-Ming Wang in dispute of a more politically correct birthplace. I am on the edge of bringing in either Mediation or RfC after seeing all these BS edit warring going on (mostly Nationalist is to blame for it).  Vic226  (chat) 10:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. I wonder if WP:IGNORE applies under this situation. If so, it would be great.
 * I'm not sure about that, but you make a good point. It's also notable here that the users in favor of adding Republic of China appear to be from there (one user even having "Viva the Republic of China" on their user page), while those who feel the article should reflect what the majority of press that covers Wang say are from North America or Australia, which leads me to beleive that biased writing may be at play here too. Also, the way the article is right now (with ROC added) reads poorly, as generally sports related articles list players homes/birthplaces by city/province or state, not city/province/country (you see Dallas, Texas - not Dallas, Texas, United States of America; as a birthplace in most sports biographies on Wikipedia) Finally, and this may not apply, but WP:NCON also talks about the identification of common names using external references, which is used to identify which of a pair (or more) conflicting names is the most prevalent in English. See this. It's obvious that The Google test, Major English-language media outlets, and Reference works all favor "Tainan City, Taiwan" over "Tainan City, Taiwan, Republic of China"; by a huge margin. Since the "official" name of Wangs birthplace is not unambiguous, we may want to give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize. I probably went too far off topic, but nonetheless some of that is relevant. Yankees76 15:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm also from Taiwan, and no, I use "Taiwan" not because that I reject using "ROC", but because that it is how I usually refer to my mother country. It would be the same for most people in the world, who probably either have never heard of/recognize ROC or does not/cannot understand the political complications between Taiwan, Republic of China, and even China (oops, looks like there's another common cliche here; I did not call it People's Republic of China because I don't use it often). To be honest, not even I understand the argument about the two governments (ROC and PRC). Anyways, this kind of debate is technically off-topic considering that this is the talk page of Chien-Ming Wang, not Republic of China or Taiwan. I doubt that there has been any proposal of merging articles of Republic of China and Taiwan together. To top off that, we usually name birthplaces geographically, not politically (as in government in control).  Vic226  (chat) 17:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It really doesnt matter what you think. It is what is true. This is not a soap box for your comments. I am from Taiwan, but I always refer to my country as the Republic of China, no matter what. I seldom use Taiwan. The Republic of China is a government which governs Taiwan Province, is that correct Vic, is that correct Jerry? -Nationalist 05:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And that would make your comment above a one-sided viewpoint (aka POV) because others, including me, think otherwise. It does not matter if you are right; as long as there are more than two unrelated people supporting the opposite claim, your sole decision will always be deemed as biased view.


 * Now, the problem is not about the naming of Taiwan/ROC/whatever; right now we should concern more about the understanding of a general audience who come to Wikipedia to read about Chien-Ming Wang. Whether Taiwan being under ROC is true or not, almost nobody who is reading about Wang will care at all whether he's born in Taiwan or Taiwan, ROC. To top off that, the number of people being stimulated to study about Taiwan and Republic of China because Wang was said to be born from "Taiwan, ROC" can even be counted by one hand. What significance does "ROC" add to Chien-Ming Wang's performance in baseball, anyway? Also, you will have to respond more than just that above, because I don't see your response explains other concerns posted above (other than naming conventions) which you probably missed, such as the commonness of using geographical and political naming in sports.  Vic226  (chat) 06:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

First I want to ask you this: can you admit and know for sure that Taiwan is governed as a province by the Republic of China government? Just answer that question first, before we proceed further. -Nationalist 06:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * First, I want you to tell me what you think about the other concerns discussed above, starting from where you left your last comment before replying "It really doesnt matter what you think" message. Since I already asked you to do so in my last comment, I am assuming either that you did not understand my last comment or that you are trying to avoid other arguments above. One of them has been readdressed by Yankees76 just below.  Vic226  (chat) 17:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions (Chinese) was designed with maintaining accuracy in mind. Saying "In 1971, China replaced Taiwan on the UN Security Council" is not accurate. Saying "Wang Chien-Ming was born in Taiwan" is not inaccurate. However, if you want all these pages to list the country of birth, then a case can be made for "Republic of China" under the argument of consistency. So far, I don't see this being done.--Jiang 07:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no Wikiproject Baseball naming convention as of yet, but a general sampling of baseball biographies shows that nearly every player matches this criteria - meaning it follows what is generally reported in the media and by MLB and the Players Association. The overwhelming trend is that USA/Canada players list city/province (see: Roger Clemens and Justin Morneau), South American and Carribean list city/country (see: David Ortiz and Mariano Rivera) and Taiwanese players say city/Taiwan (see: Chin-Feng Chen and Hong-Chih Kuo). Note that this is natural naming done by numerous editors not involved in this discussion - supporting claims of the unambiguity of the "official" name of Wangs birthplace and the argument that nature of the government of Taiwan is far from common knowledge. It's becomng clearer now that Nationalist is editing with certain political views and biased writing, rather than with a neutral point of view or a worldwide view. Since Taiwan in this case is not being used in a political context (that is, it's not described either as an independent nation or as a part of the People's Republic of China) adding Republic of China after Taiwan in this instance appears to be unecessary. Yankees76 14:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I will answer anyone's question, but please state it again. However, I do not understand why no one can answer my simple question: Is Taiwan in fact governed by the ROC today? Why are you trying to avoid that issue? If you have a strong valid argument, then admiting to that fact should be no problem. Please first answer my question. I will also answer your question. In response to yankees comment, there is no dispute about whether Canada or the United States is independent or not. Simply saying Dallas, Texas, people will know right off the bat that Texas is part of the U.S.A. But the political status of Taiwan is disputed. Therefore, it is necessary to make it very clear that Taiwan is a province/state of the Republic of China. I am willing to compromise on Taiwan, ROC. That is fine too. There has to be some sort of compromise, because this dispute is going no where. We need mediation, but you guys dont seem willing to compromise/mediate. -Nationalist 23:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, it is clear that I raised the question to you on various concerns, not including verifying the connections between Taiwan and ROC, discussed above in between the gap where you seemed to miss for almost 48 hours. I asked you to express your opinion, and you replied by asking another question that is unrelated to what was discussed at all. But for your convenience, let's readdress the concerns from above:


 * 1) Is this fact/truth (verifiable or not) THAT important to be included in this biographical article? Stated by Jiang
 * 2) One of the main goals of Wikipedia is to meet the quality standards and make contents more accessible to a general audience. Will the audience, who was intended to know the significance of Chien-Ming Wang (or any other notable person), be interested in Wang's politically disputed birthplace? Does the addition of this information help support Wang's notability? In other words, did the fact that Taiwan is governed by ROC help Wang to become such a high-profile rookie pitcher in one of the most famous baseball teams in the world? Stated by myself
 * 3) Naming conflict, particularly when using Google Test, reveals that most of the results, if not all, address Wang's birthplace to be "Tainan City, Taiwan" rather than "Tainan City, Taiwan, ROC". Although there is no naming convention for baseball yet, examples of other biographical articles, baseball-related or not, also show an unanimous pattern of naming birthplaces. Considering all of the above, you might have been editing "with certain political views and biased writing, rather than with a neutral point of view or a worldwide view". Stated by Yankees76
 * 4) To look with even more scrutiny, Taiwan is ultimately NOT the same as the Republic of China, therefore these two terms cannot be used interchangeably. Adding ", ROC" after "Taiwan" is pointless since barely anyone would care more about what political force is administrating his/her birthplace than his/her geographical birthplace. Stated by myself in your talk page


 * From your last response, I saw that you are strongly unwilling to proceed any further without answering your question. To melt this psychologically absurd lock-down (no, seriously), I will say this once: Yes, I do recognize that Taiwan is controlled by and administrated under the government of the Republic of China, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the main purpose of this article. The article "Chien-Ming Wang" is about a living person, not about a complexion of political viewpoints.


 * The last thing: there is no such thing as compromising with others before making the decision to call for mediation. If you want to call the mediation cabal, arbitration, or even probation, do it. Don't try to blame us for not complying your intention to bring up mediation; it has never been mentioned at all before your last comment.  Vic226  (chat) 02:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. No offense to anyone, but I have to say this as I looked up to check the history of this argument: nobody is perfect. Just because Jiang is an administrator does not automatically make his point of view completely correct. If so, we will just as well let the admins do the job on writing up articles. No statement, however, will ever be called neutral if that's the case. And that's not even funny or surprising.

Pronunciation of last name
I have noticed that his name is often pronounced as "Chien-Ming Wong", as opposed to "Wang". An "a", in any language, is rarely pronounced as a short "o" unless followed by a silent letter, often a consonant (example: "mackinac" sounds like "mackinaw"). Therefore, phonetically, his last name should rhyme with "sang" (the past tense of "sing"). Hallpriest9(Talk|Archive) 03:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Except in Mandarin, the "a" is pronounced as an unstressed "o" because it's part of the combined sound "ang." Mandarin uses several combinatory sounds e.g. "ai", "ei", "eng", "ang" - that's just how the phonetics work. The "rhymes with sang" is more of a Western pronunciation. You don't see people pronuncing the "Zhou dynasty" as the "zoh dynasty" because it's "joe" in Mandarin. The guys in the broadcast booth probably want to keep the pronunciations similar to how they're said in Wang's native language. - Pandacomics 20:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * His last name should actually be pronounced more like 'Wahng', saying the 'a' as the British say the word 'chance'. Also, 'Chien' is pronounced more like 'jehn' in Mandarin, not the 'ch' English speakers think of. To say that Wang's name should be pronounced to rhyme with 'sang' is outrageous. The name of the Japanese city 'Hiroshima' is pronounced more like "HEE-roh-SHEE-mah" and not "hih-ROW-shih-muh" (with a short 'i' as in 'hit') like some tend to say it.  It is unrealistic to apply English phonetics to foreign words.  There is no exact equivalent in English for the sound the 'a' in 'Wang' makes in Mandarin Chinese.  Broadcasters merely try to come as close to the original pronunciation as possible.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.116.56.82 (talk) 18:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * One more thing: The "Ming" in his name, though the official spelling, is technically wrong. It should be "Min". The character 民 is pronounced something like "mean"; it is not 明 "Ming". 61.224.41.15 (talk) 05:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Current Residence
Just wondering why it says that he lives in Fort Lee, when he actually lives in Edgewater. I know this because I used to be his neighbor. I lived right across from them and would see them all the time. And they still live there now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MadisonGold (talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

World Series champion in info box
Was curious why Wang was not given a highlight of being a WS winner in 2009. Sure he didn't play and wasn't on the playoff roster, but didn't he get a ring anyway due to being on the team, all be it the DL? Arnabdas (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:BASEBALL consensus as he wasn't on the playoff roster. --Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He got it ring, but some don't consider it to be a career highlight or award. 71.255.88.109 (talk) 01:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

File:Chien-Ming Wang pitching.jpg to appear as POTD soon
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Chien-Ming Wang pitching.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 20, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-05-20. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks!  howcheng  {chat} 16:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

He is still in WASHINGTON NATIONALS in 2011, NOT in Chicago Cubs.
Does Chien-ming Wang change teams? On MLB's website, See it, He is Nationals, not Cubs. --SiaoRong (talk) 01:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I reread the same source that supposedly said that he was signed by the cubs, but it clearly states that he's resigned by the nationals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjezttt (talk • contribs) 02:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)