Talk:Chihuahua white pine

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Edit to improve sort order in Category Pinus
I edited this to change the sort order on the page for the Category:Pinus. It had been set to alphabetize under Pine. That might make sense for categories where there are a lot of trees and a few of them are pines; then all the pines group together. But on the page where everything is a pine, it made more sense to alphabetize under Chihuahua. 71.126.140.136 (talk) 10:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Requested move 8 March 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved - closing RM because the move was already made on March 23, 2015 Mike Cline (talk) 14:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Chihuahua white pine → Pinus strobiformis – WP:FLORA is the guideline that governs the naming of plant articles. It states Scientific names are to be used as article titles in all cases except when a plant has an agricultural, horticultural, economic or cultural use that makes it more prominent in some other field than in botany; e.g. rose, apple, watermelon. The Chihuahua pine (better known as the Southwestern white pine) has little if any economic or agricultural use, despite the article's undocumented claim that the seeds were used as a food by Native Americans. Therefore, it should be titled under its scientific name Pinus strobiformis. ChuckBiggs2 (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:FLORA. The commonly used name in reliable sources is the scientific name, Pinus strobiformis, not the vernacular name "Chihuahua white pine". Google Books reports 3310 results for "Pinus strobiformis" and only 182  for "Chihuahua white pine" (and most of those are for the Chihuahua mine in White Pine County, Nevada; searching "Chihuahua white pine"-Nevada gives 73 Google Books results). Google Scholar reports 843 results for "Pinus strobiformis" and 4 results for "Chihuahua white pine". General Google search has 18200 results for "Pinus strobiformis" and 1920 for "Chihuahua white pine". The WP:COMMONNAME is the scientific name. Plantdrew (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Southwestern white pine" is a more commonly used vernacular name for this tree than "Chihuahua white pine", but still falls behind the scientific name in reported Google results. "Southwestern white pine" has 12900 general Google hits, 2860 Google Books hits and 788 on Google Scholar. Plantdrew (talk) 18:56, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Finally got around to moving an old article I've been working on. This page is now a redirect to Pinus strobiformis. Everything that was in this article should be in the new one, hopefully cleaned up and looking better. LionMans Account (talk) 20:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I undid this improper cut-and-paste move. If you have improvements to make, do them as edits on the article where it is.  Dicklyon (talk) 06:00, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I did a cut/paste move from an artice I've been working on in my space, which as far as I know, is acceptable. If you compared the two articles, you would have noticed they were different. LionMans Account (talk) 15:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I suppose that depends on what you mean by "acceptable". Is it OK to replace collective work of a bunch of editors with you own work?  Well, the history is accurate, but other than that, I'd say you should at least get a consensus to do that first.  Dicklyon (talk) 05:13, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * LionMans, Before you cut/pasted the move, did you see the article was being considered for moving as it is? Now I'm unable to properly move it becuase a pinus strobiformis exists.  Can you edit the existing article with your contributions and then delete your strobiformis page so chihuahua can be moved in its entirety (talk, history, and all)?  Many thanks. ChuckBiggs2 (talk) 06:01, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The page 'pinus strobiformis' has been around a while, but as a redirect. I put in a speedy deletion on that page now so a move can be made. LionMans Account (talk) 19:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


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