Talk:Chilcotin Country

MAP!!!
Please, please a map! I know it is mentioned above, but it's frustrating that there is not one. I'm Canadian and have no idea where this place is!

Let's also get away from the usual Wikipedia practice of including only an outline provincial map of the country or province with the subject area marked out in solid red (see the Wikipedia article "Minas Gerais" [Brazil] as an example).

What we ideally need is a number of maps as follows:


 * 1.) a general location map within Canada and British Columbia for general orientation.
 * 2.) a topographic map of the area that is the subject of the article
 * 3.) area maps of key cities or other areas likely to be of interest to readers

Is it possible for a single set of maps to be used in a number of Wikipedia articles and shared between them?


 * Overall, Wikipedia mapping practice is not satisfactory and badly needs improvement. FurnaldHall (talk) 00:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I know this is long and more wordy than is usual for Wikipedia's style sheet, but I through-wrote it with the intention of breaking certain things off, like the subarticle on the Cariboo horses. The scale of the district is comparable to several US counties, even whole states, so it may be better to use the county style format for the main chilcotin district page; things like chilcotin history, chilcotin horses, chilcotin literature, chilcotin first nations would be sub/linked pages (the chilcotin first nations page is already in existence as Tsilhqot'in; I created the disambiguation page to create Chilcotin District as the information was missing from the Tsilhqot'in page. Questions to mikeclevenNO@SPAMgmail.com.  Sources to be quoted on next revision; advice on format and break-up and other input requested from wikipedia staff.

In the article, I noticed that the link to Hanceville is to the page for Hanceville, Alabama, USA. Probably not what was intended.

cck


 * yeah, I fixed the link; still no Hanceville, British Columbia article yet, but....Skookum1 (talk) 18:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

todo list
For lack of anywhere else to put these, and as this is the main article for Category:Chilcotin Country, I'll list articles in need of writing/expanding here as a sort of project page for Chilcotin-related articles; others specific to the First Nation will be on Talk:Tsilhqot'in.Skookum1 (talk) 18:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC) Please add anything else that comes to mind; Edward Choate/Chilco Choate and Sage Birchwater should probably get bios, along with Ralph Edwards if he's not in here already...he's not that link goes to an American broadcaster; so Ralph Edwards (conservationist) or Ralph Edwards (naturalist) are definitely needed; FN bios needed can be listed at Talk:Tsilhqot'in, but for now I'll mention Fred Quilt as an important one to get done.Skookum1 (talk) 18:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nimpo Lake, British Columbia - Nimpo Lake exists as a geographic article; the one with the comma-BC tag, currently a redirect to the other, should be a "town article".
 * Tatlayoko Lake, British Columbia - town article; geographic article would be Tatlayoko Lake
 * Towdystan
 * Chilanko Forks
 * Hanceville, British Columbia
 * Tatla Lake, British Columbia
 * Redstone, British Columbia
 * Alexis Creek, British Columbia
 * Anahim Lake, British Columbia
 * Alkali Lake, British Columbia
 * Riske Creek, British Columbia
 * Fort Chilcotin
 * Itcha Ilgachuz Provincial Park - stub, needs expansion, photos, map, also associated mtn range articles
 * Ts'il?os Provincial Park - ditto
 * Big Creek Provincial Park - ditto
 * Hunlen Falls
 * Brittany Triangle - I think that's its name.
 * Tsilhqot'in v. the Queen - case currently pending, likely to be noteworthy after judgement; see http://thetyee.ca/Views/2008/02/12/NativeClaims/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Regret Misnaming this from the start
I should have made this "Chilcotin Country" from the start, and now regret using Chilcotin District; both are citable; the reason for my regret is in my long absence a CFDS changed Category:Chilcotin Country to Category:Chilcotin District and it just sounds WRONG in that context, especially because of the other "Country" categories for BC, which are more conventional and in wide use though not formally in any dictionary; e.g. Cariboo Country, Skeena Country, Peace River Country" etc...the use of "District" will cause confusion with "Regional District" and also with District Municipality. The term "Chilcotin district" (small-d) is in common use but as a proper name does not exist, only "the Chilcotin" and "Chilcotin Country" (small or caps 'c').  Alerted to this by edits to 'Chilcotin Ranges' which tried to supplant the misnomer "Southern Chilcotin Mountains", which is citable BUT INCORRECT, for the real current name "Spruce Lake Protected Area". Not into remedying this right now by a move request and a CFD fight, but damn this page was one of the first I made, now I realize the consequences....Category:Chilcotin would be preferable, ultimately,but would not stand, also Category:Cariboo and Category:Okanagan and Category:Kootenays etc.....but explaining this to someone not familiar with geographic terms in British Columbia, or trying to cite it, has proven hard in the past; even getting someone to admit that "the Interior" should be capitalized was a battle......Skookum1 (talk) 18:00, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I moved it to Chilcotin Country, corresponding to others listed in Template:Historical geographic regions of British Columbia. It was recently moved from Chilcotin (region) to Chilcotin region, but I don't think there are any others named like that; if region was part of the name then it would be Chilcotin Region, but if "region" is just to disambiguate then we put it in parentheses. It's OK for sub-categories to use "...in the Chilcotin", but the main category can't be just or  because those are ambiguous.
 * Is Chilcotin Country OK for the article, and can we speedily rename the category back to that name now? – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that the Cariboo and Okanagan categories used to be Category:Cariboo Country (often heard) and Category:Okanagan Country (used, but less-heard than the others) and Category:Kootenays was Category:Kootenay Country. They were speedied when harmonized with their region/main articles.  Note that the capital-R Region, like capital-D District, has implications re other uses of those words in BC (Forest Regions, Environment Regions, Regional Districts, Land Districts...."District" would tend to mean "Land District" when not a district municipality and "region" is commonly, but wrongly, juxtaposed for Regional District; in caps form it is rarely seen but would tend to imply "a spokesman for the Environment Region", or something of that kind, if ever seen in print at all.  Chilcotin Country is currently unreferenced, an oversight on my part as been preoccupied elsewhere.....for being southern BC's least populated region, it has an impressively deep literature and identity.......hold off on the speedy, the RM at Talk:Chilcotin people remains unresolved; if common sense and modern usage don't prevail, we might see Category:Chilcotin people speedied from the endonym form Category:Tsilhqot'in...which to me would be a complicated disaster, and that term "Country" becomes very controversial in that light.....pretty much all items listed on the Chilcotin dab page are in the Chilcotin, which is named for the people, of course.....similar issues exist with Syilx/Okanagan, Ktunaxa/Kutenai (the Cdn spelling is Kootenay, but that's invariably used in modern English for the region, not the people; Kootenai is the US spelling, the "Kutenai" name was imposed by speedy according to the field-biases of a certain editor who didn't give a damn about modern usage or what the peoples themselves call themselves, but claims it's the "most common" (which it's not), and Secwepemc/Shuswap and St'at'imc/Lillooet where category-name confusion is going to be very boggling and the speedy-must-match-main-article category "rule" has already created the completely wrong Category:Squamish, which like the others in question has a common usage that's not about the people the place is named for.  Cariboo is an exception to that, though there is a Cariboo Tribal Council, I think; but Category:Cariboo people is about "people from the Cariboo", not a people named Cariboo.  This is one of those situations where someone not qualified/knowledgeable to make a call about a speedy went ahead, and caused a host of problems now taking arduous argument to resolve.....have a look at the sister categories of the Chilcotin category.....many are "FOO Valley", e.g. Slocan Valley, Comox Valley. The local grandchild categories as noted have to be "FOO region"....I remember there was a difference established, though maybe now merged (?) between Category:Puget Sound and Category:Puget Sound (region) or Category:Puget Sound region?  it Category:Quatsino Sound is OK for the region around that sound, it should be speedied; I've held off making others like that, e.g. Category:Queen Charlotte Strait w/wo "(region)". On the articles anyway; one for the waterbody, the other for the region....Skookum1 (talk) 12:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW there is only one Category:Puget Sound but there are two articles, Puget Sound for the waterbody, Puget Sound region for the region, without parantheses; and that is a common phrase, even seen it in all-caps, it's not really a dabSkookum1 (talk) 03:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the stream of conciousness! Can I take that as a Yes? – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go ahead.....I chose that name for a reason......like the others. Chilcotin District was an early title before I knew what the consequences of such capitalization would be, or such a usage, re categories....The endonym article has been reverted to Tsilhqot'in so there's no fear now of Category:People from the Chilcotin people who live in the Chilcotin, for example.  The "FOO people" usage we'll address later.  Sometime.  For now I've had my fill of RMs and CfDs....Skookum1 (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

BTW it's nice to hear someone understand my thought processes, instead of stylizing me as "ranting" or "angry" just because I'm long-winded and detailed and know what I'm talking about....Skookum1 (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

IPA issue
This is tecnically "correct" /tʃɪlˈkoʊtɪn/ but the usual pronunciation where the /tɪ/ is replaced by a glottal stop is by far the way this name is usually heard; a "swallowed" /t/, as with also Edmonton quite often.Skookum1 (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2014 (UTC)