Talk:Child, Youth and Family (New Zealand)

Anonymous Weblog Attacks
The link to the anonymous weblog has been removed. I suggest that it is not added back to the article due to its aggressive nature towards CYFS staff and its NPOV content. --Roue2 23:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous Weblog Attacks
The link to the anonymous weblog has been reinstated. I suggest that it left in the article in order to provide readers with a link to content in order to understand the severity of the aggression direcected towards CYFS staff and its NPOV content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.188.148 (talk • contribs)
 * WP:EL is quite clear that we don't link to such sites.- gadfium 03:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It might also be helpful to provide a small number of links to established 'mainstream' non-government organisations of particular relevance to people interested in CYF, eg Action for Child and Youth Development Aotearoa Inc. I will suggest some as part of the rewrite I am currently working on.  --Januarian (talk) 18:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The formerly the Department of
A recent edit says that Child Youth and Family is formerly the Department of Child Youth and Family Services. This presents an interesting legal situation because the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services Act 1999, which is still in force and not been repealed, would suggest the organisation is still a Government department. What has apparently happened is that the Chief Executive of the Ministry of Social Development has also been appointed as the Chief Executive of the Department of Child Youth and Family Services. There is no legal restriction that says this cannot be done. However, it does raise the interesting legal consequence that the legal entity responsible is both a government department and a functional unit of the larger Ministry. Section 11(3) would suggest that reference to the chief executive responsible for the administration of the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989 is the responsible chief executive for the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services. That suggests the department still exists, but as a functional unit of the larger Ministry of Social Development. -- Cameron Dewe 06:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a legal issue because the legal entity is the CEO, not the organisation or part of it. Technically, when a child or young person is under the care and protection of the State, then the CEO of CYF (read: MSD) is legally their guardian.  Obviously the incumbent civil servant is not personally the guardian of thousands of children though =)  I have discussed the overall CEO/CYF/MSD issue below.  --Januarian (talk) 18:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Article title
I believe the article title New Zealand Department of Child, Youth and Family Services is not correct as it does not follow the Naming conventions (government departments and ministers). I believe better,, and naming convention compliant article titles would be either Child, Youth and Family (New Zealand) as the prefered name, or possibly the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services (New Zealand) as an alternative. The reason why I prefer the former is because CYF have branded themselves as Child, Youth and Family irrespective of being a separate government department, which they are, or a service of another ministry or department, which they also are and have been in the past. Previous alternative names of CYF include Child, Youth and Family Service, Child, Youth and Family Services, Child and Young Persons Service, Child, Young Persons and Their Families Service or similar permutations. -- Cameron Dewe 10:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the article title should change, as the State Services Commission's list of State sector organisations no longer includes any kind of Department of CYF. CYF is one of nine groups or 'functional units' of MSD.  Each group has a Deputy Chief Executive.  Where legislation refers to the powers of the CEO of CYF, in practice that means the CEO of MSD.  Since the name 'CYF' seems to have survived for a few years now, and is it nice and simple, that might be a good article title.  The 2006 changes are politely referred to as a merger; some might have referred to it as a disestablishment or takeover - but I don't think we should even go down that path.  Anyway, I am working on a short table showing the name changes and years from the major DSW changes in 1992 onwards.  I'm also rewriting the article text to cover off on these issues.  So, the reasons for changing the title should become clearer, then I can find out how an article title gets changed (on that note, if anyone knows how, please let us know here).--Januarian (talk) 18:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

History section
The history section should probably cover the various name changes this New Zealand Government organisation has undergone over the years since it was first established when the Child Welfare section of the Ministry of Education was transferred into the Department of Social Welfare back in 1972. See MSD history Also article about the inheriting stand alone Ministry for Vulnerable Children (since renamed again) should probably acknowledge this legacy too. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Added. A subsequent rewrite of the existing history is needed. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Minor rewrite and clean-up done. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Future expansion potential includes passage of enacting and enforcing legislation that coincides with and affects name changes. Departmental powers conferred by legislation. Children in Care statistics. Annual Reports. Research journals published by the organisation concerning social work and social policy. Social worker registration legislation and departmental reaction. Problems with the department over the years (Controversial.) - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)