Talk:Children's Own School

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Non-notable Montessori school. RickK 06:43, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * For Montessori, 1920 is pretty old, pretty close to the origins. Very close.  Abstain for now.  The article doesn't quite give enough notability, but it's really close. Geogre 12:56, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and send to clean up to see if further research improves it. User Allyn will keep working on it, so this should be kept. Geogre 12:02, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * What are the guidelines for listing specific institutions? I see other schools listed here. Perhaps I am out of line in submitting this article for a specific school?Allyn
 * Schools are a constant bone of contention, Allyn. The best indication of this is What's in, what's out where you'll see a distinct lack of consensus, particularly about high schools. For primary schools, there's general agreement that the school has to be notable in some way.
 * This seems borderline. It was perfectly OK to be bold and submit it. Nobody minds your submitting it.
 * Now we're trying to figure out whether it's notable enough to keep.
 * The most helpful thing you can do is try to do a little more research that might add a few more reasons why this school is interesting enough to deserve an encyclopedia article. As I understand it, there was a small wave of Montessori schools in the late 1910s and 1920s, then a sort of hiatus, then a resurgence in popular in the 1960s and thereafter. Do you have any idea how many Montessori schools there actually were in the United States in 1920? You might also say where you learned that Dorothy Gove knew Maria Montessori; assuming this is verifiable, it's of some interest. Finally, http://www.griffinmuseum.org/hist_photos/history_10.html shows "a selection of historical photographs" and there is one of "Children's Own School, 96 Main Street. Now the Montessori School. Home of James William Russell, Russell Farm." Is the building itself interesting? I'm confused by the statement that the "Children's Own School" is now the Montessori School, assume that's a mistake and that it was always a Montessori school that was always named the Children's Own School.
 * Any famous graduates?
 * Now, I don't want you to work terribly hard trying to improve an article only to find out that it gets deleted anyway, but... if you know the school and live nearby, have you thought about taking a picture of it to put in the article? All images have to be released under the GFDL, which is easy if you take it yourself and relatively hard if someone else has taken it... [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:40, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep LegCircus
 * Response Thank you for the suggestions. I do have a question, though. If I were to do additional research, how much time do I have to make any changes before a delete vote is taken? The school is in Massachusetts and I live in Oregon and I have to do things long distance. This was my childhood school when I was raised in Massachusetts. I am going to have to make some calls next week and ask some questions. I am also going to try to have a friend snap some e-pictures for me to put up on GPL, but those won't be ready for a week or so. I am not sure what my best course of action is. Can I ask that a vote be suspended until I make improvement, or should I volunteerly delete it myself now, but make another article when I am ready; if so, I don't know how to do this as I am fairly new to Wikapedia's authoring. Thank you. --Allyn 04:28, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Allyn, our basic issue for any item is whether or not it is notable enough to be in a general knowledge encyclopedia. We're all over the road on this, of course, because we're a wiki.  Some things get overlooked, some are deemed notable by enough folks, etc.  The best thing for you to do is to keep "notability" in mind with this article.  I think it's part of the first wave of Montessori schools, and most of those did not survive.  It might be even more notable, however, if it wasn't an early Montessori, if it was a notable educational philosophy of the New England area (and there were many).  For your researching, your best bet is probably to e-mail the current librarian at the school, or archivist, if there is one, to get some of the legends and history of the place.  So far, people are abstaining or voting to keep, so you may not be up against just the 5 day limit.  Geogre 22:59, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, trusting Allyn to improve the article. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:22, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Request removal I have found out that I don't have enough time this week to do further research and try to get someone to snap some e-pictures. Can I request that this article be removed and that I will write a new article with additional research whenI get back from a trip out of town next week? --Allyn 05:28, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Allyn, that can create as many problem as it solves. I'm changing my vote to keep on the basis that a Wikipedian (you) is going to work on improving it, and I recommend some time on Clean Up. Geogre 12:02, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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