Talk:Chill Out (KLF album)/Archive 1

Train or road?
I've put "(or perhaps train journey)" into the first paragraph, though actually I don't think it is a "perhaps" - it seems pretty clear that the journey described in the track titles IS by train, and there's all those train noises in the music itself too. Incidentally, is the writer of "In The Ghetto" really credited as Davies? If so, that's an error. It should be Davis. -- Bonalaw 15:21, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) No I disagree about the train journey for a number of reasons - firstly, they are listening to snatches of radio on the car stereo while they drive, secondly, the train noises can be explained by trains going past the car (e.g. at a level crossing or alongside the road) and in fact if you listen to the train noises they "pan" i.e. get louder and then get softer as they go off into the distance. If you were on a train, then the train noise would sound more internal and would be a constant presence throughout the piece. Finally there is a whole road trip myth surrounding the KLF - they famously drove their 1968 Ford Galaxie US cop car around - it features in several of their music videos and their unreleased white elephant movie The White Room is basically a road trip movie around central Spain. -Drstuey 21:31, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) It definately says "Davies" on the label - I just checked. There are also co-publishing credits - this track is co-credited to Screen Gems, EMI Music.
 * True enough, though they're pretty keen on their train references too. I'd always imagined "Chill Out" as someone half-asleep on a night train with a transistor radio. It's easier to drink the eponymous black coffee on a train, too. Anyway, I'll put in a note about In The Ghetto - the composer is Mac Davis, not Davies, so that's an error on the sleeve. --Bonalaw 08:47, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Maybe it's because I have the American CD version (TVT Records), but I can't seem to find the Thank You section. Where is it? I only see Davis, P.Green, Bilk, and Mellin being recognized as co-writers. —jiy (talk) 04:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Presumably it is only on the UK version, it is at the bottom of the back sleeve. See the cover scan - Drstuey 09:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Samples
Does anyone have a reliable source that we could cite for the list of samples? Some of them are obvious, of course, and are credited on the album sleeve. But is it definite that Pink Floyd's "Echoes" and "On the Run" are sampled? They sound similar and could've been filtered, but I'm not convinced. I've also seen it mentioned that BBC Sound Effects Vol. 17 was used extensively. --Vinoir 11:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, "Volume *17*". A red herring perhaps.  --Vinoir 16:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? --kingboyk 16:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Another crazy Illuminatus number, by all accounts, which people look for in KLF's stuff. Whether it's really there or not is another matter. I don't think I could face reading those books.  Have you ever given them a try? --Vinoir 17:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read the Illuminatus and Schrodingers Cat trilogies in the 90s. The latter took me several attempts, Illuminatus is light reading in comparison! --kingboyk 03:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * What is a "reliable source" for a sample ident list?!? Have you seen mine ?
 * Meanwhile, I must complain about my bit about the division of chill out being done for song-writing credits being removed. It is pretty clear that the division of chill out into tracks is not at any noticiable breaks or changes in the music. I maintain that one main reason for the division was purely so that co-songwriting credits could be given to some of the people that they sampled. OK, admittedly I never seen this thoery anywhere else so this is original research, but hey, just a wee mention? :-) Drstuey 09:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Change it back then, that's wiki :) It probably could do with a better explanation tbh. --kingboyk 09:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And it's quite deserving of a mention, thinking about it. I've reinserted the idea. --Vinoir 04:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoops!
Vinoir: "Removed call from this section." Sorry about that, I added it because I was editing a section only and needed to preview. Must have forgotten to remove it - doh! --kingboyk 16:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * :-) Easily done! I once again forgot to put the "nomination" tag up, for example...! --Vinoir 16:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

GA feedback
Almost there, but fannish prose like the legendary monthly Land of Oz club, He's given a songwriting credit, and references to 'evil' Graham Lee need fixing. I'd also suggest converting the list of samples into prose and removing the see also section - if the links there can't be incorporated into the general text it implies the topics are too tangential to be mentioned. Worldtraveller 20:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback. I agree with your comments and have revised the article accordingly. --Vinoir 10:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks from me too. I agreed, except with regards to the samples list. However, looks like I might have been wrong on that as well as Vinoir appears to have successfully converted into prose :) --kingboyk 10:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Good work! I just listed it as good, but then noticed a slight issue - the first sentence of 'origins' contradicts what follows - can't have been a single live take if they kept on having to redo it.  Also, where actually is the land of oz club?  This should be mentioned.  Worldtraveller 23:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By "single live take" it means that the album as released was (they claim) recorded from start to finish in one go. There would have been aborted takes, and they just started again with a blank sheet. I'm not sure how to reword it to make that clear... The 'Land Of Oz' was at London's Heaven nightclub, which I've now added. Thanks again. --kingboyk 08:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

To-do list
I've rearranged the structure of the article, and I think it's better now. We need a Context section; see that section for some HTML comments including a quotation from Eno about what ambient music is and a mention of Cauty and Paterson (written by David Toop in The Times). --kingboyk 17:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent suggestions and rearrangement. I've got Drummond saying "the weep of a pedal steel guitar is the sound of heartstrings being torn", to fit in somewhere too. --Vinoir 08:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's amazing what a little refactoring can do, isn't it? I think with a Context section it'll be looking like an FAC. I'm liking the quote you found too, look forward to seeing it worked into the text :) --kingboyk 10:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Contribute to what?
It seems almost all I write gets quickly removed. Is all of it unimportant and uninteresting?--SavX 13:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please read the talk pages and WP:KLF and see what we're trying to achieve. We only want additions which have sources, and only information which is of interest to the general reader (not fancruft, not secondhand info and speculation from the KLF Mailing List). Unfortunately a lot of what you've added hasn't been up to par - not all of it, and not all of it got reverted. The edits on Chill Out earlier by me were a mistake; Firefox has a bug and it caused me to wripe out about half the article - not just your work. --kingboyk 13:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. The work you're doing on Who Killed The JAMs? is good; we need details on each song so please continue with that!


 * Seems theres ALOT to read on all those learnlinks you pasted. Why isn't The KLF's influence on other bands of any interest for the general reader? None of those three mentioned, especially The Chilluminati Remixes and Sabotage Chill Out werent unaware of Chill Out. I dont know if you saw it before you removed it all, but I edited my own write later. I corrected the "(?)", found out its not Beastie Boys, but a v/a compilation released on Sabotage record.--SavX 15:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll take a look at that again. I have heard of Sabotage but I'm not sure how important it is. That said, I didn't wipe out your corrected version on purpose: it was a mistake due to a browser bug, so apologies for that! Please do stick around and don't be offended, I'm sure you can help us improve articles and have some fun at the same time. It's simply that we want to make the best articles we can - The KLF will be perhaps the best documented band on Wikipedia and I'm sure you'll agree that's a good thing :) --kingboyk 08:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)