Talk:Chin (combat sports)

Chin in other Sports
We should remove the (chin) from this article and replace it with (sports), as Chin isn't something exclusive to boxing. There's Chin in MMA, for instance. Taotd (talk) 03:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Etymology
Why is the chin (or jaw) used as an analogy for a fighter's resilience? Is there any actual connection between punching at the jaw/chin (vs any other part of the face) and the likelihood of knocking someone out? Ham Pastrami (talk) 16:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is actually. A correctly placed punch can drive the chin back to hit upon a specific nerve (the Vagus nerve? Dont quote me, I'm not positive) causing the target of the punch to be Knocked out. Although a punch can also come from a different angle to strike this same nerve. A Hook can catch the target slightly behind and below the ear to strike home the same effect. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  03:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing the lists
I propose removing both the lists of names as they remain without any ref's and are 'spam magnets' being edited based upon whomever last nights winner was. I am not sure if it is WP:INAPPROPRIATE based on personal point of view, spam ... or something in between the 2, but neither list adds any value or insight to this article. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 19:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree, one can argue either way for every fighter. Alex Reid ffs!? 82.141.196.178 (talk) 12:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with removing the lists. Some of the fighters, particularly in the MMA section, are there for very questionable reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.10.147 (talk) 13:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The lists are ridiculous, a chin can't be measured. There are guys who got knocked out only once in their career and they are in the 'weak chins' list and others got KO'd more then once and are in the list of good chins. I'd say remove the lists because there could be argued about every name on it. Wikipedia is supposed to be as objective as possible and these lists are very subjective. Invictum (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

collapsing the lists
Is there a reason that these lists need to be displayed in their entirty to people more intrested in the actual article? They beginning to outweighing the article about "what a chin is" at the length they have become. They should be spun off into their own actual article at this point - List of Fighters considered Chinny

Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 05:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Yushin Okami = not a weak chin
Yushin Okami does not have a weak chin, please give me the proper reason why he has a weak chin. I am removing him from the list until I get an answer. 108.172.56.203 (talk) 06:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Dude, easily half of the fighters on the MMA list could be taken out. Virtually any fighter of note is on one side or the other of that list, which seems to undercut the idea of making a list of people with noteworthy chins in either direction. The only criteria for the list seems to be total number of times KO'd with a couple of exceptions for dudes who took a ton of damage before finally going down a bunch like Cabbage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.202.160 (talk) 06:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Same could be said for Rashad Evans and Anderson Silva, both only being knocked out once in their career. Rashad has sources sited but bleacherreport comes out with such lists every month or so. People have previously stated that half the list could be removed from either side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.8.172.35 (talk) 07:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a easily made, but obvious mistake to include Wanderlei Silva in the "weak chin" category. How many times was Wanderlei KO'd (or even TKO'd) in his career? He went the distance with Henderson, Crocop, Hunt and Liddell, some of the hardest hitters the sport has offered. He can be dropped (again, by supremely powerful punchers), but he was only KO'd/TKO'd in the twilight of his career. In his prime, even after he came to the UFC at first, he had a very, very solid chin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.145.228 (talk) 03:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Mindframe = Mindset?
This article mentions 'Mindframe' by that does it mean 'Mindset'? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Incorrect Information
This commentary is incorrect: "Generally, the jaw portion of the skull, and specifically the point of the chin, is the area most vulnerable to a knock-out blow and therefore having an exceptional tolerance to punishment in this area is a great advantage to a fighter." Based on the information I learned from a neurosurgeon while writing this article for BloodyElbow.com http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/12/2/13376618/feature-what-makes-an-iron-chin-ufc-mma-fighter-science-interview-ko-jaw-ktfo-news

Blows to the chin/jaw are very effective ways of knocking someone out, but not because that part of the head is more vulnerable than anywhere else. Knockouts are caused by the brain rotating within the skull, the more the brain 'jiggles' the more likely you are to be knocked out/receive a concussion. A blow to the jaw is the best place to hit someone if you want to cause the most violent jerking of their skull as possible to elicit the most severe jiggling of the brain as possible.

My article also reveals, from a very respected concussion expert, that the main factors behind a good 'chin' are differences in brain composition (which science is yet to identify) as well as strong neck muscles. Tensing neck muscles and aligning the jaw (aka tucking your chin and biting down on your mouthpiece) also improve your chances of not being knocked out. Thickness of skull, shape/size of jawbone, etc. don't matter much, if at all when it comes to effecting rotational acceleration of the brain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C5F:F762:7C16:CC64:CED:6C71 (talk) 14:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Bleacher Report as a source
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Disappointing article
I'm disappointed with the lack of information in this article on a more scientific level, such as studies into what allows a fighter to take a punch, how one's "chin" degrades, and how it relates to CTE. --73.14.195.213 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)