Talk:Chinese Americans

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Requested move 15 June 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved – speedy closing to prevent WP:SNOW. Ethnic group articles are expressly specified to have plural titles by WP:PLURAL. where guidance in WP:SINGULAR points to. No such user (talk) 12:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Chinese Americans → Chinese American – Conform to WP:SINGULAR Caorongjin (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Moved from technical request (permalink). I learnt that articles about nations/ethnic groups/tribes don't usually obey WP:SINGULAR. Cf. Americans, Germans and African Americans. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:NCET. – Uanfala (talk) 11:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


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"Chinese Americans in Atlanta" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Chinese Americans in Atlanta. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed,Rosguill talk 23:15, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Fabrickator revert of 8 May 2020
I've reverted this article back to the 20:21, 27 April 2020‎ edit by Cyfal, with some additional edits.

Here's what's being reverted:


 * the drop of Malaysia from portal bar
 * 23% of Malaysian population is Chinese, when these Malaysians come to America, I presume they may be considered as Chinese-Americans, which would seem to justify including Malaysia on the portal bar.
 * the drop of reference to "Standard Chinese", based on a claim that "SC is not a language"
 * I'm going to call this bogus. There are different forms of the Chinese language, and one of those forms (evidently Mandarin) is considered the "standard" form.
 * the the drop of paragraph about Chinese who identify as Jewish
 * This topic seems to have quite a bit of coverage. I've added some relevant citations, providing some fair support for these claims.  Feel free to improve on my efforts. Fabrickator (talk) 05:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Expansion in "History" Section on Chinese Women Migrants
Hi Wikipedians,

I plan on making some changes to this Wiki page and wanted to inform you all before I make them. There's some information missing in the section titled "History" about the experiences of Chinese Women migrants. They're not mentioned at all, so I plan on adding information about the topic. I do not plan on removing any information or rearranging anything. I plan on adding information following the third paragraph in this section, as it will fit nicely following the information provided on the Gold Rush. I will talk about the experiences that Chinese women migrants had in America in the nineteenth century. For example, many went through stricter background checks than Chinese men, when they arrived to America. They were interrogated for days and asked intrusive questions about their family lives. Chinese women were also prevented in large numbers from legally immigrating to the United States, which lead to an imbalanced sex ratio among Chinese American populations. Once these women had been approved and let into the country, they experienced new hardships. Many Chinese women were coerced into prostitution, with over 60% of the adult Chinese women living in California in 1870 working in the trade. I gathered this information from a book chapter titled "Nineteenth Century Immigration: Chinese Women Came to the Gold Mountain” which is found in Huping Ling's book titled Surviving on the Gold Mountain : A History of Chinese American Women and Their Lives. This source is reliable as the book was published by State University of New York Press, a reliable publisher, in 1998. The author, Ling Huping, is a professor at Truman State University in Kirksville, Missouri. She also founded the Asian studies program at the university. Altogether I'll add between 200 and 300 words to the "History" section. If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page! Chris3348 (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Uncited text in intro
I've moved this uncited text from the intro. Feel free to move it back with citations: "About half or more of the Chinese ethnic people in the U.S. in the 1980s had roots in Taishan, Guangdong, a city in southern China near the major city of Guangzhou. In general, much of the Chinese population before the 1990s consisted of Cantonese or Taishanese-speaking people from southern China, predominately from Guangdong province. During the 1980s, more Mandarin-speaking immigrants from Northern China and Taiwan immigrated to the U.S. The Chinese population in much of the 1800s and 1990s was almost entirely contained to the Western U.S., especially California and Nevada, as well as New York City. Chinese immigrants and their descendants generally lived in Chinatowns (especially the ones in San Francisco and New York), or Chinese populated districts in downtowns of major cities." PRRfan (talk) PRRfan (talk) 02:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I've added it back with some citations. The first half has a lot of evidence to it (and is a summary of the rest of the article's information), the latter half seems true but may be frustrated by vague terminology (how many is "generally"?) and should also probably mention non-city Chinatowns like San Marino. Calabax (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Reorganization
This article is a confusing mishmash of many different cultures and histories all mixed together. The primary problem is organization.

The "History" section is about 19th century Chinese-American West Coast history. This is undeniably relevant to the status of Chinese Americans today, but is described in greater detail than necessary for a page that is meant for "Chinese Americans" in general.

The "Demographics" section focuses on the demographics and statistics of East Coast Chinatowns, and could use some more history instead of just statistics.

The "Modern Immigration" section, previously named Immigration, is a relatively tiny section with information about immigration after the PRC opened China, which began in the 1980s. It's part of the reason there's a big cultural difference between the early wave and later waves of Chinese immigration, because there's literally hundreds of years of economic level, cultural difference, and degrees of assimilation between the them.

The "Socioeconomics" section is focused on 1980s+ Chinese American international students. It, unlike the previous sections, also cites many more individual news articles rather than research studies, and seems to be focused on students rather than the holistic Chinese population. How many students are immigrating? From where are they from? It makes many statements such as "With their above average educational attainment rates, Chinese Americans from all socioeconomic backgrounds have achieved significant advances in their educational levels, income, life expectancy, and other social indicators" which is obviously less applicable to Chinese Americans that came to America because their ancestors "mined for gold and performed menial labor" as stated earlier in the article.

Many of the studies are from 2000-2010 textbooks, and should be updated with research from 2010-recent.

The Chinese Americans page length right now is 145,592 bytes. The article on Irish diaspora is 142,657 bytes. However, Chinese Americans article is much more confusing than the lrish diaspora article. The Irish diaspora article links to relevant historical events driving immigration such as the Great Famine, and immigrant conflicts such as the Irish American slang, which I would like to see the Chinese American versions of. Calabax (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I propose more categories so we can maintain the Chinese Americans page as a useful hub page for Chinese Americans, instead of this mishmash of different waves of immigration. Do not delete information, or remove uncited text, but move it onto pages where it fits better and create links between articles. We don't want the new Chinese to overwrite the old Chinese, and we don't want the old Chinese to overwrite the new Chinese. Calabax (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)