Talk:Chinese art/Archive 1

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Chinese people like art a lot and are very artistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doona moona (talk • contribs) 16:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Old
The Polish and Spanish articles have a lot of material. Can someone translate or summarize? --MarkSweep 01:40, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What is "art"?
I think we need to define the parameters of this article. What sorts of things are included as art? For example, should poetry be included as art? Or is that more in the realm of literature? What about songs? --Yu Ninjie 09:05, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Although I voted for this article in COTW, I was scratching my head on where to start since "art" really had a very large coverage. This was the article before being nominated to COTW, which was like a redirection page to different aspects of Chinese art. Now the page is like European art history and Japanese Art. That is not a bad idea, but eventually we will need to think of a structure to link articles on different aspects of Chinese Art. We may start discussion since this article will win COTW soon. -- Felix Wan 03:29, 2004 Nov 16 (UTC)

Traditionally, Chinese art primarily consists of music (Guqin), Go (board game) (called Weiqi in China), Calligraphy, and brush painting. Should this be mentioned somewhere in the text? --Liuyao 08:12, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It seems to me that this article is two broad and needs to be split in two. One about Chinese art (visual arts) and one about literary arts. Though I'm not sure then where film would fit in that kind of scheme.--Amerinese 06:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Martial Arts
Do martial arts belong in this article? &mdash; J3ff 20:44, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Licensing requirements for photographs
Does anyone have experience getting an appropriate release from a museum to photograph exhibits (with natural light, of course)?

I'm not sure what the Wikipedia requirements are for releases, is there a document I can print out and ask a museum administrator to sign?

The reason I ask is that I live within driving distance of a great many Chinese art displays, and I have some decent photography equipment, but I don't want to waste my time taking a lot of photographs and then finding I can't contribute them.

Any advice will be appreciated. I want to contribute photographs to this article if at all possible.

--DV 06:20, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Suggestions
The first sentence should be eliminated since it has little content: "Chinese art is art, whether modern or ancient, that originated in or is practiced in China or by Chinese artists or performers. "

"Cao Pi is known for writing the first Chinese poem using seven syllables per line (&#19971;&#35328;&#35433;), the poem &#29141;&#27468;&#34892;": a translation of the title is needed. --Erauch 03:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Move
We should move this article to "Art of China" - it is not the policy of Wikipedia to use adjectives derived from country/region names, it is potentially confusing. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 10:12, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * What's potentially confusing about it? Stylistically I think "Chinese art" looks better: "Art of China" sounds clumsy. jguk 14:04, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Press release for Chinese art
Please participate in the discussion at Village_pump &mdash; J3ff 20:17, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * That link is broken.

alter citizens sentence
this didn't make sense to me,


 * Citizens from Taiwan or Overseas Chinese can also be considered as full represent of Chinese art as long as they revendicate its heritage.

so I guessed at it's meaning and changed it to this..


 * The art of Taiwan and that of Chinese Emmigrants can also be considered part of Chinese art where it is based in or draws on the heritage of Chinese art.

does that sound reasonable? Mozzerati 21:16, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Withdrawal
Observing and  searching  MET site image, the vessel lost its cover. Therefore it lacks its shape. I withdraw acclaiming for it. Although I have a little doubt, it is impossible to describe it more, unless I really check it. december 6, 2005

Chinese printmaking - was there any before say 1800?
I'm looking for more to add to woodcut and woodblock printing, but i can't see anything here. Was there any significant tradition? Johnbod 01:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a very rich tradition of "door guardian prints," "new year's prints" and other religious prints that goes back centuries-would you be interested? early printed art related books? how about printed money? or any book printing? what exactly are you looking for? hope that I can help now that WP knows that I am not any sock puppet! (I saw your comment to DGG that you were surprised, thanks! White Krane 11:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Just looking quickly at sites:

http://library.ust.hk/info/exhibit/newyear/ny-eng.html http://www.artelino.com/articles/chinese_new_year_prints.asp http://www.c-c-c.org/ex/doorgod.html

talks about Door Guardian prints evolving into New Year prints as early as the Tang Dynasty (618-907 AD). I think we are going to have to change the History section that deals with China under Woodcuts. Under "Woodblock printing" there are also far earlier examples of colour woodcuts than what is stated but they are printed money, does that count?White Krane 11:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Contemporary art since 1979
I have already made some slight additions to the section dealing with "Visual arts." But I think it needs a lot more work. Please comment or I will continue to make more changes in a week or two (is that the proper thing to do? I am new to this-just been on here for 4 days and do not want to upset anyone here!).White Krane 10:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Peer review
What happened to the peer review? the link to the archive at the top of this page is red.  Litho  derm  21:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Banpo matriarchy claim
I removed the unsourced claim that Yangshao culture was matrilineal, see the Banpo article for further information on this. Apparently, this was a political theory driven interpretation that has fallen out of favor, since there is no data to back it up. And more importantly, their being matrilineal or not has no bearing on art history. --Blueshifter (talk) 01:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re-organization of Chinese art/arts articles
Chinese art gets a large number of page views - about 750 per day, but is rightly classed as "start" class. The much fuller History of Chinese art (B class) gets about half as many views. A problem both pages share is that they include literature, music and drama and other performance arts. They thus cover The arts rather than art, the latter normally meaning just visual art in English and on en:Wikipedia - see other articles such as German art. I propose the following: Comments here please. Johnbod (talk) 16:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) rename Chinese art to Arts in China (currently a redirect to "Chinese art") DONE, or possibly just merge with Culture of China
 * 2) Redirect "Chinese art" to History of Chinese art - maybe renaming to the former, as with other country's articles DONE & DONE
 * 3) Take all the non-visual art material from the current "History of ..." and merge to the current "Chinese art"/Arts in China - mostly it is better than what is there now. DONE
 * 4) Take the "art market" section from the current "Chinese art" article & add to the current "History of..." article DONE
 * 5) I would then like to improve the main visual art article, over time; the other arts I can't help with.
 * All but last now done, in view of deafening silence. Johnbod (talk) 22:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the article should definitely be renamed to "Chinese art". It doesn't seem correct to have the main title redirect to a sub-article's title; it should also be consistent with other similar articles on Wikipedia. The article is fine, but the title needs to be changed.--Balthazarduju (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now done; I think it's better. Johnbod (talk) 02:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Lack of Qing Dynasty Art page?
The Qing dynasty section on this page is very brief, and there is no Qing Dynasty Art page (in contrast to the pretty good Ming Dynasty painting page). I am tempted to start a page on Ming dynasty art (or painting) - but maybe it is somewhere there, I just don't know where to look? Certainly there are reasonable pages on quite a few Qing era artists.

Do we need a Qing Dynasty painting page? Does anyone want to contribute? Mozzy66 (talk) 08:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure there is nothing. Our coverage is all pretty dire, especially this article. Any improvement will be most welcome. Johnbod (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge Chinese fine art here
Proposal Chinese fine art is a little-viewed collection of sections on historical Chinese art by material or medium. Most are nicely illustrated but have very short texts. Both major art forms and less important decorative ones are covered, the latter usually better than the former. Little has happened on the article since 2012. I propose a merge of the better bits here, where some gaps will be usefully filled. It has had various titles, but the present one doesn't seem a clear or common term. Johnbod (talk) 13:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Support as nom. Johnbod (talk) 13:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Chinese fine art is mainly a collection of pictures, with little content that's not already covered in Chinese art. -Zanhe (talk) 11:23, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Longer comments here please. Johnbod (talk) 13:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I have no strong view on whether they should be merged or not, but I would assume that the the fine art article is meant as a companion article to the folk art article. I would think that traditionally fine art in China is more limited and would not include things like photography (photography as art is a more modern concept), or engraving and embroidery (they are crafts), so the article is somewhat misleading. The Chinese Art article appears to concentrate more on a historical narrative (and on paintings only in some sections). At the moment neither articles are particular satisfactory, the problem as I see it is that Chinese art is a huge subject, and it is difficult to present the subject in a comprehensive way in a single page. Splitting is therefore inevitable, and there is an argument for keeping the fine art article, but it needed to be rewritten or retitled. On the other hand some of the content of the fine art article could be merged here. I think it might be better to consider first what kind of content you want to have on this page because this would be the first page people would visit if they want to know about Chinese art, then think about other related but more specialized articles. Hzh (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think this should & could be like Islamic art, which has both a top-level by period summary, and sections by medium. But here I'd keep the history above the media. Johnbod (talk) 01:03, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, although I'm thinking more about the limited content and how it can be expanded. Not relevant here, but only because you mentioned it, the content of Islamic art is a bit of a nonsense since big parts of it has got nothing to do with Islam, some of those items might even be produced by non-Muslims.  Think for example Christian art or Buddhist art, which are directly linked to Christianity and Buddhism respectively and are religious in nature, and you can see the issue with calling a lot of the content in that page Islamic art. Hzh (talk) 22:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Since no one (including me) seems to fancy doing the merge, I have moved it to Chinese art by medium and technique, and rewritten the lead quickly, at least as an interim measure. This has dragged on long enough. I've no very strong views in general if someone wants to take it in a different direction. I'll remove the merge tags. Johnbod (talk) 18:26, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

c:Category:Files from the San Diego Museum of Art to be checked
Hi, Help needed from experts in Japanese and Chinese arts to review all these (1653 files today). Thanks, Yann (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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Would it be possible to move the history section to the top of the page as it seems slightly strange that it appears in the middle. OneSixtyNine (talk) 11:13, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree - much better where it is, which is why it is where it is. You can jump straight there from the table of contents if you want. Johnbod (talk) 16:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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