Talk:Chinese mystery snail

A note
I was searching for this page, and could not find it with the keywords "trap door snail." I think it should maybe be indexed under "trap door" as well as "trapdoor." I do not know how to do this. Anybody? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.197.8.45 (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have done that now. Invertzoo (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Merge Cipangopaludina malleata here
The Viviparus malleatus page redirects to the Cipangopaludina malleata page, which identifies the snail as a (different) species. However, that assessment conflicts with our page here (Chinese mystery snail) which lists that name as synonym under the taxobox. Provided the synonymity is correct, the merging seems warranted.--Kiyoweap (talk) 01:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * WoRMS recognizes both C. malleata and C. chinensis. ITIS recognizes C. chinensis malleata as a subspecies. IUCN notes that species limits of C. chinensis are poorly defined. Gastropods generally follow WoRMS, so I think separate articles should be retained (but the synonym list will need to be updated). Plantdrew (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. Well if following WoRMs is the convention I'm fine by it (for bookkeeping purposes anyway).


 * But you seem to suggest it is just a matter of delete/moving the subspecies from the taxobox synonyms list here, and that will fix everything, and that is not the case.


 * Because the article mention "Japanese variety" which, though it fails to be clear, is probably referring what is known as marutanishi in Japanese, and treated as a subspecies by various Japanese scholars: either as "C. chinensis malleata" (item 20 of the table in this 1971 paper) or as "C. chinensis laeta" (this 2012 paper).


 * It is not just the only portion that needs to be dealt with. There is also the Shiba N. paper appended at the end, which refers to marutanishi.--Kiyoweap (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As of 2021, MolluscaBase (/WoRMS) still considers them separate species. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 22:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)