Talk:Chippewa Middle School, Shoreview, MN

Article?
I think an article on the school may be useful, as it may include important information on it. Also, the article on Mounds View Schools provides very little information on Chippewa Middle School, so a redirect there may be useless. Possibilities would be to;

1. Add information on Chippewa to the Mounds View Schools article. Pros: Totally folows notability guidlines. This redirect would lead directly to the information. Someone at the Mounds View Schools page would not need to follow links to find this. Cons: Information would be needed about all of the schools listed there. This may get in the way of simply listing the schools on the Mounds View Schools page.

2. Create a soft redirect to Chippewa's website. Pros: This allows people to access Chippewa's information easily. This is not violating the notability guideline. Cons: This will not include information from other sources. This would possibly show people slightly biased information.

3.Create an article for Chippewa. Pros: This provides the information to anyone who searches for it. The list of schools on the Mounds View Schools article will not become overcrowde. This may attract more people who know information about Chippewa; if Chippewa is simply a section, people may not write about it. Cons: This may be violating the notability guidelines.

Also we should consider that that Pinewood Elementary and Turtle Lake Elementary have existing articles about them. If creating a sole article for Chippewa Middle School would be helpful, than Wikipedia's Ignore All Rules policy may allow us to have an article on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratburntro44 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Middle schools and Wikipedia
It has been consistent practice that middle schools and elementary schools are not ordinarily considered suitable for separate Wikipedia articles, unless there is some special notability,  As  our general WP:N rule, the notability must be shown by references providing substantial coverage from  3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online (but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases, or routine notices of events in local newspapers. Experience has been that very few such schools do have such sources.  The sort of information that has proven significant in the past is Blue Ribbon status, or some award at a national level. State level awards are sometimes, but not always, taken as significant. Pinewood Elementary School (Mounds View, Minnesota) was named one of the "Minnesota Schools of Excellence" for 2008-2009  Turtle Lake Elementary School received a GreatSchools rating of 10. Sometimes that level of a GreatSchools rating is considered significant; the Minnesota rankings by the state's association of elementary school principals might possibly be. but I would personally be reluctant to support that, because. There are 950 elementary schools in the state;; 140 of them have been endorsed as schools of excellence, which is not a very high proportion. 

My advice is to write expanded sections in the article on the school district for each of these schools, including the ones with existing articles, and then make a redirect from the school name. The first step in expanding them would then be to make a separate combination article for the elementary schools, and one for the middle schools. It will be possible to expand these eventually.

I'm just saying what we normally do, and giving you the best advice I can as an editor with considerable experience  here with all sorts of  school articles.  DGG ( talk ) 01:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Pinewood was named one of the "Minnesota Schools of Excellence" in the years of 2008-2009, which is probably the main  reason  whay the stub  was allowed to stand. N,evertheless, there is very  much  else about  it that  really  argues for inclusion. It's also  been tagged for over a year as requiring  improvement. A quick check  in  Google does not  appear to  reveal any  of the required sources stated by  DGG for Chippewa Middle School, and the school's own  website (not  admissible anyway) does not  seem to  list  any  particular awards of note. Alsi  in the UK and Australia,  primary  and middle schools are not  de facto  notable either. Any  stubs that  are created are often merged into  an 'education' section  of the article on the local community they  serve.   --Kudpung (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Turtle Lake Elementary School: The article is a stub with little content  that  asserts notabiloity.   The sources of information  that  have  been provided are not  generally  acceptable (school's own web site, directory  websites), and the school, like     Chippewa, does not  list  any  special  awards or rcognition that  is worth  of notability for the encyclopedia. It  has been tagged for notability  issues since August  2009. It  has been missed for further action partly  because it escaped the attention  of the Wikipedia Schools Project. The project  banner has now been added to  the talk  page and the article might  now come under closer scrutiny  for possible inclusion. I will give the article a few days for improvement, failing  which  I  will  recommend merging any  valid content  with  the parent  school  district  article, and deleting  it.--Kudpung (talk) 01:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I would support the sound advice given by DGG, above. A section on each school in the district article is the best way to go. However, I have had a look at the available sources and this, for example, has the makings of notability. If someone is prepared to put the time into a sourced article by all means give it a go. A caveat, don't go off half cock since it will simply generate a premature AFD. Better to develop the page in user space  and only spring it on a surprised and delighted world when you are confident that it will survive. TerriersFan (talk) 03:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)