Talk:Chips and dip

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DYK
DYK nomination initiated at Template:Did you know nominations/Chips and dip. North America1000 02:46, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Double dipping
The discussion of double dipping and flu is problematic:


 * It is based on a single unpublished study (a "Working Paper"). ((deleted mistake))
 * This is a statistical paper which did not study mechanism at all.
 * It discusses "three plausible mechanisms", one of which is "increased local socialization" and its possible effect on air-borne transmission of flu.
 * It never mentions food-borne transmission at all, let alone double-dipping. One of the newspaper articles has a quote about double-dipping, but that is not even mentioned in the original article.

I will remove this material. --Macrakis (talk) 21:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Significant historical context
The material on the history of French Onion Dip a.k.a. California Dip is already partly in the French onion dip article, and I am currently adding the material from this article to that article, where I think it belongs.

As for the following, I don't see how it gives any "significant historical context": An episode of the television series Cops featured a fight over chips and dip in a bar in Bernalillo County, New Mexico. An instance of chips and dip in popular culture is a video of a baby laughing while the mother eats chips and dip, which was published on the Daily Mail website. In what way is any of this encyclopedic? --Macrakis (talk) 21:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the blanket removal of historical information about the U.S. popularity of chips and dip from this article. Sure, an article exists at French onion dip, but removing the content from this article to that one is inappropriate, because the content herein provides a historical precedent and an explanation regarding how new products were quickly developed following the success of the Lipton advertising campaign. Please stop stripping everything from this article, and discuss first, as per WP:BRD. North America1000 21:58, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm all right with removing the popular culture section, because the examples are not particularly significant. As such, I agree with it being removed, and have re-removed this content. North America1000 22:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I am precisely following WP:BRD. I made an edit. You reverted it. I engaged on the Talk page.


 * For the history, please take a look at the current version of French onion dip. I think it contains additional interesting historical background. As a general rule, I think it is a bad idea to repeat content in multiple articles for several reasons:
 * It makes articles harder to read.
 * It reduces the value of links, because you first read something on page (1), then click through to page (2) only to find the same content.
 * It makes articles harder to update (because you don't know which other articles to update).
 * I agree that the growth of suburban patio culture and Superbowl party culture and all that is an interesting topic. And chip-and-dip is part of that. I am sure there is lots more to say. In fact, some of the material that's there can probably be sharpened. For example, article currently reads "The popularity of chips and dip significantly increased in the United States during the 1950s"; but the Martindale source actually is even clearer than that -- dips were a postwar innovation.  --Macrakis (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't blanket revert. Some of my edits were strictly editorial, and did not change any of the historical or other content. I will reintroduce my style edits to the lead. Of course, you are free to change them if that is in fact what you want to change. --Macrakis (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Tostitos promotion
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 * In March 2015, in observance of National Chip and Dip Day, Tostitos-brand tortilla chips provided coupons by mail for free dip to anyone named "Chip."

I don't see that promotions (especially short-term ones) are noteworthy unless they become well-known memes. --Macrakis (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have restored the content, because it provides an example about how a large, U.S. corporate brand observed National Chip and Dip Day in the United States. The text is not worded in a promotional manner. North America1000 11:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I am pretty sure that the pseudo-holiday National Chip and Dip Day itself was created by Frito-Lay (though I haven't been able to find a source -- do you know its history?), so the fact that they promote it is not surprising. The "people named Chip" and "double-dipping" pseudo-news (press releases) seem to be part of that campaign.
 * Wikipedia is not a press-release publishing agency for corporate America and its large (or small) brands and we shouldn't be reinforcing Frito-Lay's marketing campaigns. The fact that they push this campaign through multiple media (including filler pieces in otherwise serious newspaper) is not in itself noteworthy by Wikipedia standards. Now, if we started seeing articles about the campaigns, that would be a different matter. --Macrakis (talk) 19:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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