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Chiptune Revival
Chiptune has become very popular as genuine music in the UK recently. worth a mention I think. Sabrepulse also deserve reference somwhere in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.33.109 (talk) 17:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Moved from article
I took the liberty to remove the recordlabels as that was blatant commercial advertising and didn´t provide any useful information. Looking at other genre´s wikipages I noticed that we have an unusually big linkfarm here. Perhaps a radical trim is in order? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.250.21.85 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi there,
 * I agree that we have waaaay too many links on this page, however I don't feel that it is necessary to remove the labels section in its entirety. Some of the labels you removed are certainly notable within this (re-)emerging genre (8bitpeoples.com, micromusic.net, x-dump, etc.), and as such, they should be included. I don't think that they constitute blatant advertising as well, and I would like to wait until a consensus is reached before we go a head and blank the labels section. -- Ryanfantastic 03:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the News-links as it seemed not particularly relevant or containing any information that couldn't be obtained otherwise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.250.21.85 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Moved from article
Trimmed down the lists in the article.

Modern chiptune artists and groups

 * Dubmood
 * 8bitpeoples
 * beepdealers
 * GOTO80
 * Gijs Gieskes
 * Aleksi Eeben (Heatbeat)
 * firestARTer
 * David Sugar (logicbomb)
 * YM Rockerz
 * She
 * ZX Spectrum Orchestra
 * Nullsleep
 * Bit Shifter
 * Lo-bat
 * Covox
 * Snoopdroop
 * Neotericz
 * Snowrobot
 * Hey Kid Nice Robot
 * xik
 * Sidabitball
 * Ogge
 * Zabutom
 * Jake Kaufman (Virt)
 * Binärpilot
 * Rugar
 * Anamanaguchi
 * RushJet1
 * Crazy Q
 * Psilodump
 * Paza
 * Karawapo
 * Cerror
 * M-.-n
 * Hally
 * Hein Holt
 * Chibitech
 * VideoHomeTraining
 * Stage7
 * Funky Fish
 * nula
 * 4.19Mhz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.94.41 (talk) 06:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yo, put it back. That's what I came here looking for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.167.21 (talk) 04:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Role model
The link to Role Model goes to the article on what it means to be a role model, not the band. Can anyone find out any info on the band, maybe make a new article so we can fix up the link? It's not a band, it's a person. He made LSDJ. 80.127.64.214 14:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

History
Soundwise a direct predecessor was the 1930th optical synthesizer Variophone by the Russian Evgeny Sholpo, which recorded mechanical projections of cardboard tonewheels on 35mm film sound tracks. The static geometric waveforms, distortions of their superposition and pre-planned stepped envelope transistions strongly resemble chiptunes. - CYBERYOGI =CO=Windler 92.196.4.5 (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Nether of these count as reliable sources; seeWP:RS. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 19:38, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Bizarre Commentary by 81.224.97.188
Technology: (Noone will really consider it a chiptune, just because it's made using a synthesizer that occasionally spits out a sawtooth here and there. The "old" (If there really is such a thing) would rather be the sample-based tracked music, rather than the psycle-sequenced sawtooth songs.)

Style/basics: (This stopped being true 1987 or so. Everyone has their own opinion about this, but in my own, chiptunes as they are today, where formed during the late 80s, and 90s, chipmusic, by European demo scene wackos, using the Commodore 64, Amiga and Mid-90s and later on; the PC. Chiptunes today are, as I see it, 99% of the time composed in trackers, using samples, either to emulate the sound of some oldschool hardware, or just to sound poppy in the Loonie/Radix way, and never, ever, except in some rare cases of retardedness, do we use white noise for drums. Who's using a ADSR envelope controlled synthesizer by the way?)

Style/oldsk00l: ''(This is also, in my opinion, very wrong, and probably written by some American professor on the subject "wacked eurotrash chip-kids". There is no such thing as "oldsk00l", and no-one has been using MOD seriously without also using their Amiga. PC users had the luxury of eight or more channels, almost since forever! (Atleast since the introduction of usable Trackers on the platform. Today everyone uses Fasttracker 2 or Impulsetracker clones, unless they cheat and use the real deal. This "oldsk00l" music we hear of isn't really that recent, not all the time atleast. People have been doing this for like 15 years, it's not that they managed to come up with the awesome idea to create chipmusic with samples yesterday). I would also like to recommend .)'' (Good luck in rewriting, Mr Author) -- 81.224.97.188 11:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought I'd paste it all here, since it could be legit discussion. I left a note on the IP talk page, and I'm about to revert to last changes by 84.144.87.122, unless those are a problem too. -- Crnk Mnky 16:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Although it's not appropriate to have in an encyclopedia entry the comments largely appear to be correct. It was probably written by someone who is connected to the demoscene, if only loosely, in frustration. While I don't want to keep his comments on the page I feel some of the points he made are valid. More specifically, I'd like for the article to reflect that chiptunes have evolved a lot and aren't as attached to old technology as they are to a style kept alive during crossovers to newer and better hardware.

Also, not that this was pointed out in the "bizarre commentary", I'd like for the article to not generalize the chiptune style as much, as it is both confusing and quite frankly saddening to see artists such as Psilodump, who take so little from the chiptune style as they do, included as icons of this genre.

SkogsRickard 01:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

SkogsRickard: Listen to You Are So Full Of SID by Psilodump --- he has been known to be a chiptune artist! :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.196.91 (talk) 01:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Program to make those chiptunes
I've been wondering what program was used to make those chiptunes... I would like to do some myself..

So, does anyone know and if they do, provide a link? =\

--Datavi X 12:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * There's really no short answer to your question, since all sorts of different programs have been and are being used. Do you "just" want to make chip-sounding music, or authentic, "real" chip music on old hardware?


 * There's been lots of various music programs written for older computers, and a few for consoles/handhelds too. If you want to make Gameboy-sounding chip tunes, get a Gameboy and look for programs to make music for it. If you want to make C64-sounding chip tunes, get a C64 and look for programs to make music for it.  If you want to make Atari XL-sounding chip tunes ... well, you get the idea.  Google it.
 * There are programs for the PC / for Windows that lets you make music for these older computers too, at least for the C64. GoatTracker comes to mind.
 * There are also VST plugins that emulate the C64's SID chip, and the Atari ST's YM2149 chip -- and probably many others that I don't know about. That's not something I can say much about, but might be an option if you have a good setup already, and want to play with chip sounds.
 * Or use a tracker. There's been some pretty good stuff made in Fast Tracker 2.  Picking something more recent, Renoise seems interesting.  Adding effects isn't for the purists though.
 * But my basic advice would be: Look at what you and your friends already have in the basement, see what you can get cheap, and look for software with that in mind. If you're starting from scratch, you might want to look for a C64 with a disk drive if you can get it cheap from someone you know (the drives can be pretty expensive otherwise; also diskettes will be a problem), or an Atari ST (STFM/STE come with built in drives).  Then start pestering people on forums and IRC channels.  :-)
 * magetoo 23:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok thanks. =) Even though of what you said kinda baffled me =\ Would those programs be handy if you wanna convert say an NSF file into a GBC-music file? --Datavi X 09:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

In regards to specific software, LSDJ and Nanoloop are two popular trackers for the gameboy Ryanfantastic 10:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There is also a program called Paragon 5 BeyondTracker (not sure its exact name), used by that company to write chiptunes when they made Gameboy games, in an interface graphically similar to that of ImpulseTracker/Screamtracker. The Paragon 5 website (www.paragon5.com) no longer seems to have it available for download, unfortunately.  There is a free BuzzTracker generator machine that also simulates the Gameboy and its sound (including the inherent limitations of 4 channels and what those channels are for), although I think it could have been designed better. --I am not good at running 20:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

--Stephane Hockenhull 17 July 2014
 * FYI The Paragon5/BeyondTracker has been re-released and is available for download complete with replay routines on my page ( rv6502.ca ) if anyone is adding a list of tools, might be worth linking to the new source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.57.11 (talk) 04:30, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

--Shawn Phase
 * First of all, i dont believe any of this stuff worth of being deleterious. this is a flourishing scene and many of us myself included have spent years and years to try and promote this to make it a verifiable genre. this is not something that is based on opinion, this is something that is based on knowledge within the genre, if those of you who are editing these fields which i continue to readd because you feel its not worthy, then you are doing those who desire to know more about this type of music a big disservice, i would encourage those of you to not remove any entries to this. thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shawnphase (talk • contribs)  04:50, 10 July 2006   (UTC)


 * Hi Shawnphase. Thanks for your interest in the chiptune page. We are in the process of Cleaning up the artist list on the page. The list is not meant to be a catalogue of all chiptune artists. Rather, it is intended to be a short list of notable artists representative of this genre. I feel the list should be completely re-worked to achieve this goal. If you wish to compile a more complete list of chiptune artists, why not create a List of Chiptune Artists page and link to it from the chiptune article? I have reverted your last edit because it does not seem to be inline with the stated goal of the artist list. That and I hate red links. Please post further comments under Talk:Chiptune.
 * Thanks! -- Ryanfantastic 06:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

--[SP]--

while i think it would be an ok idea to make another page, why would it be necessary to limit the contents of this page? this is a worldwide genre, that is constantly expanding. with bands like Anamanaguchi, and myself (temp sound solutions), it's been an upward battle and it has taken years to be able to make this a viable form of art here in the states. it started in the netherlands as far as people performing out in clubs et al, but the mainpoint of what i wanted to bring up is that to bring any deletions into a list of  artists who NORMALLY PERFORM out in public. to make any unnecessary deletions in such a flourishing genre is very counterproductive, and i find making any more of a link off of this is part of the problem with the way wikipedia is handled, theres too many kill-happy readers of all types here and of course knowledge is very impartial, i dont find that it is necessary here.

this combined with the entire deleterious nature of people on wikipedia has soured me to editing any further. namaste —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.25.199 (talk • contribs)  09:55, 11 July 2006   (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to hear that Shawn. However, if someone is new to a genre and wants to find out more about it then overloading them with links isn't the way to educate them. By only including the truly representative bands, readers will more likely be able to find accurate information about the genre, and the entire scene will benefit. As a fan of 8bit music, I would like to thank you for your passion for the genre, but ask you to try understand that we are trying to make the Chiptune page a truly encyclopedic entry of the highest possible quality. Geedubber 10:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

--[shawn phase] please, dont get me wrong, i'll still read, and i'll still do what i can to pass on information to others so that they can possibly do it, i simply dont have the time. if you do a google search on shawn phase, go in my mp3's section on my webpage, and you'll see that i have an overly large discography of music, with as much of an output as mine i dont have the time to use the internet much, but others will. i invite you to see for yourself.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.25.199 (talk • contribs)  22:04, 11 July 2006   (UTC)

Cleanup Discussion
From what perspective is this article written? I'm asking because I never before heard the word "chiptune" being used to describe this kind of music; instead "chiptune" has in my experience only ever been used to mean "MODs with short waveforms" (that resemble oldskool music chips' sounds). I think I can back this particular usage up with plenty of examples; it's very common on Aminet, in its module collection, for example. (and on the Amiga scene in general too); but I really can't think of many instances of the term meaning what the article states, other than from "kids today" who seem to think that "it sounds the same to me". (no offense intended)

The term "chip music", which is the entry I originally jumped to (and got directed to "chiptune" from) is another one I've never heard, but it does seem more appropriate to me.

("Of course, back in the day, we never called it that..." - just "music for the C64", "music for the speccy" or something, or plain "computer music".)

magetoo 14:29, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I did some edits:

Replaced "audio co-processor" with "sound chip" (the "co-processor" link was irrelevant and confused things) replaced "module" where (in)appropriate (modules didn't even exist until the Amiga)
 * "Audio co-processor" is also terribly wrong when referring to the sound chip. The SEGA Megadrive (Genesis) had a Z80 audio co-processor that controlled the DAC and FM synth. They are two different things!

And I zapped the second paragraph under "Technology" and moved parts of it out:

"In those days, memory and storage space were limited and valuable, driving some composers to create very small modules. As little data as possible was used to create a sound; for example, repeatedly looping 64 bytes of data to produce a constant tone. These were mostly used in crack intros, which had to be squeezed into any spare space on the disk of the cracked software."

.. "repeatedly looping 64 bytes of data" is completely irrelevant with the POKEY/SID/YM chips since they had internal oscillators and never depended on sample data in any form, which obviously is what the sentence refers to. I reused it in the next paragraph instead. The part about crack intros seems to me to fit perfectly in the Amiga era (limited disk space, bootblock "intros") rather in the C64/Speccy era (one-file tape rip games), so I moved that down too.

So there is not much text left to describe the music of the old sound chips, but what is there is more correct, IMHO.

I realize that what I have done is mostly from a "chip tunes are small MODs" perspective, and I believe I could write a much more logically consistent article if I pulled all references to 8-bit era sound chips, but someone must have put it there for a reason (right?) so I won't. Maybe the article could be split, or divided into parts..

magetoo 15:55, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I removed Machinae Supremacy from the list of modern chip groups. The only things that their music has in common with chiptunes is some of the video game-themed songs, the video game covers and the SIDstation they use.

Bitpop, Gamewave, Picopop
Should Bitpop, Gamewave, or Picopop be merged/redirected into this article?--Geedubber 23:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I think even 8bit can even get into this article. The differences that supposedly separate all of these "genres" are so slight and not really quantifiable, referenced in any studies or (in my opinion as someone who makes and performs this music) accurate. With chiptune/chipmusic/bitpop all being more about method and one aspect of aesthetic, it seems like separating them for tiny differences is a bit silly. Thoughts? TMNTOM (talk) 05:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Picopop currently redirects to this article but isn't mentioned once, nor is it obvious why it redirects here. I would think there needs to be a mention or the redirect removed.71.98.113.197 (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Name Cleanup
"Chanchacorin" Manami is a nickname for Matsumae Manami. (Her maiden name was Goto Manami.) Therefore, it would make sense to have them on the same line (or simply to remove the nickname).

Reference: http://www.snesmusic.org/v2/profile.php?profile=composer&selected=279

Artist cleanup
The page was starting to look like a link farm. I've cleaned it up and am moving all redlinks to the talk page. If you really think the person is representive of the genre then add them back and leave a comment on the talk page. Maybe a List of Chiptune Bands and Artists is required instead of keeping huge list in main entry. Geedubber 07:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Nice work Geedubber! There's a few artist here that I might add back, but I don't want to put a bunch of redlinks on the page... I would be in favour of including some artists from 8bitpeoples.com (nullsleep, bit shifter, mesu kasumai) as they are quite noteable for this genre. I am also in favour of getting rid of a bunch of links under Chiptune, some are blatant advertising, others are nn. Ryanfantastic 02:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

removed Ceephax Acid...there is no basiss for argument that he is a chiptune artist, falls into the Acid House category... Shawn Phase 4:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Manami Ietel
 * Manami Matsumae
 * Yoshihiro Sakaguchi
 * Chanchacorin Manami
 * Ogeretsu Kun
 * Anthony "Ratt" Crowther
 * Maniacs of Noise
 * Thomas Mogensen (DRAX)
 * Matthew Simmonds (4-Mat)


 * 8-Bit Operators
 * 8bitpeoples
 * 8 Bit Monkey Rage  (Firexit)
 * alk
 * Anamanaguchi
 * acrodot
 * Adam Dunkels
 * Alex Mauer
 * Animal Style
 * Anonymouse
 * Aonami
 * benetbéné
 * bod (musician)
 * Binärpilot
 * Bit Shifter
 * Blasterhead
 * Bubblyfish
 * Commodore 64 Orchestra
 * ComputeHer
 * covox
 * Crazy Q
 * Dat Politics
 * David Sugar
 * disasterPEACE
 * Dubmood
 * DvdHeijden
 * Fish and Chip
 * Firebrand_Boy
 * FLOPPY [www.picopico.org]
 * Funky Fish
 * Gameboyzz Orchestra Project,
 * Gijs Gieskes
 * Glomag
 * Goto80
 * Hally
 * JosSs
 * Kayotix
 * Killer Turtles Tied Together With A Bazooka
 * Ksine
 * maktone
 * MANDERSO
 * Mark DeNardo
 * Mommy Was an Asteroid
 * M-.-n
 * Naruto
 * Nitro2k01
 * Neotericz
 * Nullsleep
 * OblatenKoenig
 * Overthruster
 * Paza Rahm
 * Pjat
 * Raeuberhoehle
 * Peppermint Pony
 * Postal_m@rket
 * Prosper Prowano
 * Random
 * Role model
 * Rolemusic
 * RushJet1
 * Saitone
 * Scsnippets
 * Sengle
 * SHLEL - Norwegian Chiptune Kings
 * Snoopdroop
 * Snowrobot
 * Sophistik/SEA
 * Spatulaman
 * svenzzon
 * syntax cataract
 * TB
 * Touché
 * Teamtendo
 * Temp Sound Solutions
 * The Depreciation Guild
 * WidgetPhreak widgetphreak.sytes.net/sound.htm
 * voskomo
 * zabutom
 * zalza

Artists

 * Trez & Brioche - chiptune DJs
 * dropdabomb - chiptune / micromusic conglomerate
 * dalezy - multiplatform chiptune artist
 * chiptune.de - "melcom's chiptune archive"
 * YM Rockerz - popular atari music crew
 * Autocide - 8-bit pix & music videos.
 * Jack Dark - Released 8-Bit Heart EP in 2005
 * Fish and Chip - GameBoy chiptune

Trimming down the list of artists and staying true to "real chip"...
Has anyone at all listened to Psilodump?

If so, how can you call that chip? It's about as chip as the average synth-pop. Mentioning this guy in the same context as great artists/groups such as Chris Hülsbeck, Yuukichan's Papa and Rob Hubbard feels awkward and wrong. If you take the time to listen to Psilodump you'll find there's not much chip about it. I'm not even sure he makes all his music with trackers of any kind.

Sure, he is/was(?) chairman of "Chipmusikfrämjandet" in Sweden, but that's all the chip there is to him.

When Slagsmålsklubben is more "chip" than you, you don't belong in an entry for chiptunes. When dubmood isn't in the list, Psilodump definitely shouldn't be there, even though he's got an entry on the Wiki... We should clean this up a bit.

PS. I find myself wondering, since Psilodump is in that list, how many other non-chippers are in that list?

SkogsRickard 01:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Why exactly did this happen?
Im very dissapointed at all the usefull information cut from this article. So why was all of this erased?

Perhaps you should be more clear about what you are talking about. 64.230.4.4 22:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Locked
This Page Has Been Vandaled 2 Times. Locked. Offensiveandconfusing 14:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Surely this is over the top? The Avenged Sevenfold page was vandalised constantly for months before it was protected. XdiabolicalX 17:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

MODs
In the TECHNOLOGY section, chiptunes are compared and contrasted to MODs, but at the end, under filetypes, MOD and XM is listed as a possible chiptune extension. Do we want to include those as chiptunes? I doubt it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenimaj (talk • contribs) 16:17, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
 * It is debatable. The later MOD formats had chiptune "modes" where synthesised instruments could be used. Many of the 40Kb intros used these formats of MODs to save space. The inclusion depends on how strictly we wish to define "chiptune". Are they specifically tunes performed on custom synth chips or does processor-based synthesis also count? --Monotonehell 07:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The word chiptune was used solely to describe module music for about 10 years...i think they can be included —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.178.3 (talk) 16:52, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

No Crystal Castles?
Why is it that there is no reference to Ethan Kath of Crystal Castles. They are no doubt the most mainstream chiptune artist and perhaps deserve a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.150.250.188 (talk) 23:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

They are not really part of the scene at all. Often it is suggested that they are the antithesis of the scene. TMNTOM (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Random
An article about Random (musician) exists, but I don't think he's the same dude. The article mentions he has been pursuing "video game music placements", but I think that means conventional songs taken into use in video games, not actually making music directly on computer/console hardware, what is done in chiptunes. J I P | Talk 17:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Modern Chiptunes Artists and Groups
This is not in the spirit of Wikipedia (re: Wikipedia is not a directory). It should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.238.77.139 (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, it's crap. Most of the artists who are on it aren't worth mentioning. Most of the artists who are worth mentioning aren't on it. Get rid of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.178.97 (talk) 15:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

We will never have a "representative list of important modern chiptune acts". I don't know why it was added back in, the article was so much better without. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.178.97 (talk) 07:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

misleading things
"Most of (but not all) chip sounds are synthesised by simply dividing a clock square wave to get a square wave of desired frequency, and sometimes using a sawtooth/triangle wave from volume LFO or an (ADSR) envelope to get some kind of ring modulation."

On the AY / YM chips of the ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, Atari ST, yes. On other chip platforms, other things happen. I'm going to change this. AY/YM is hardly "most of". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.196.91 (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I changed "10k freemen" to "Ten Thousand Free Men & Their Families" because that is the correct name for that act. 124.171.20.69 (talk) 09:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Dubious
I added a few "dubious" tags:

1. 'Emulation of the original sound chips has become more prevalent and accepted because of the increasing rarity and fragile nature of the original "IC chips."'

This is not the reason at all, as far as I know, and unless someone can find a reliable source to cite on this I think that it should be removed.

2. "In their desire to create a more complex arrangement than what the medium apparently allowed, composers developed creative approaches when developing their own electronic sounds and scores, employing a diversity of both methods of sound synthesis, such as pulse-width modulation and wavetable synthesis, and compositional techniques, such as a liberal use of arpeggiation."

Besides the POV language ("liberal" use, heh?) and the sourceless reasoning behind the techniques, the author seems to have misunderstood wavetable synthesis altogether, confusing it with wave/parameter tables on the C64 and similar computers. The rest of the sentence seems informative so I won't remove it, but it has to be reworked to cite some sources and rid of POV.

3. "Arguably the most influential piece of hardware in the development of chip music has been the MOS Technology SID, the sound chip of the Commodore 64 (1982)."

If it's "arguable" it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. And yeah, it definitely is arguable to the point that the sentence should be removed altogether.

4. "It is only responsible for DMAing samples from RAM to the audio output, similar to the function of modern day sound cards."

This comparison (to the Amiga Paula chip) is obviously based on a misunderstanding of how the Paula functions. The most "modern" sound card that I can think of that is similar to the Paula by any stretch is the Gravis Ultrasound. A quick glance in "Mapping the Amiga" reveals that the Amiga sports four channels with independently controlled sample rates. Waveform pointers and waveform lengths are set up by the programmer, and after that the chip is controlled much like a PSG chip by changing volume and pitch, leaving the processor a lot of free time. The book also reveals some other features that you'll have to look hard for in modern soundcards, like channel-to-channel AM and FM

5. "The standard MIDI file format, together with the General MIDI instrument set, describes only what notes are played on what instruments."

Not true by any means. 90.231.50.222 (talk) 11:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I added one citation and will look for more as time permits. I understand your skepticism, but a lot of us actually LIVED the history presented in this article.  For example I remember when there was no computer music or demoscene, and then suddenly along came Atari and Commodore computers with their advanced Jay Miner-designed sound/video, and it virtually exploded overnight.  Finding citations is difficult, because that era has been poorly documented, but I and other editors will do the best we can Mr. Anonymous.    Theaveng (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As made obvious by the amount of non-facts that slipped through because of the lack of proper sources and citations of them, having "lived the history" is definitely no excuse for adding things without citations. It's better to build from a dead-on accurate but small article than bunching up a lot of dubious half-facts. The authors of some of these statements had no idea of what they were talking about. 90.231.50.222 (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (Refers to anon.50.222's first point above) Note: The real reason is that it is easier to control and integrate the soundchip into a modern studio via emulation. 99.245.36.213 (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

TV Section?
There is no way 8bitweapon was the first live performance of chipmusic on television. There is footage of goto80 playing on TV in the late 80s I'm pretty sure... Moreover, how is it relevant to the explanation of chiptune? 124.168.185.24 (talk) 04:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Merge
shouldn't this just be merged with Bitpop?--24.19.26.35 (talk) 03:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

i would merge it with Chiptune - better article than Bitpop... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.75.153.140 (talk) 16:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above. They are the same form of music. Chiptune and 8bit unite. TMNTOM (talk) 09:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

yeah, but don't ignore the fact, that this type of music is known by many people as "8-bit". see for instance malcolm mclaren's wired-article "8-bit punk": http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/mclaren.html 62.178.64.227 (talk) 19:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

8bit is another term for Chiptune, NOT bitpop. Bitpop is a production method using 8 bit computers AND modern equipment, whereas 8bit/Chiptune uses only 8bit equipment. This should be merged with Chiptune, or simply redirected to the Chiptune article. GriffReborn (talk) 11:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

All this info is pretty much covered at Chiptune so this could probably be deleted completely? 90.200.196.91 (talk) 11:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

This article should probably be expanded to include chiptune and the various chiptune-fusion genres (bitpop, picopop, chipbreaks, etc.) and groups that incorporate 8-bit sounds as a major part of their style (Depreciation Guild, Machinae Supremacy). These are all commonly referred to as "8-bit", while "chiptune" tends to be used only to refer to "pure" strictly 8-bit-synth-generated music. This would reflect usage, and give those subgenres an article home, as most of them probably don't have enough notability for articles of their own (chiptune and demoscene being unassailable exceptions). &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 21:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment Does "chiptune" include music with vocals? If it does, I'm against the merge, as a lot of 8-bit music has vocals. (I'm generally against the merge anyway. I'm much more familiar with the term "8-bit" than "chiptune.")--Thanos Lives (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Chiptune is purely chip-based, so no, with the exception of 8-bit-synthesized or -sampled vocals (e.g. Altered Beast's "wise fwom yoh gwabe"). I'm not suggesting a merge, but to expand this article to cover the general topic of 8-bit videogame aesthetic in music, while chiptune would continue to cover the more specific genre that holds itself to specific technological constraints. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

8-bit music genre is different from chiptune genre, but as long as there is almost no info in the article it is better to have it redirected. --Varnav (talk) 06:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Incorporate Drum&Chip content here
Rather than a separate article, wouldn't this article be improved by incorporating Drum&Chip here? -- Deadly&forall;ssassin 13:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

The AY-3-8910 isn't an FM synthesis chip
The AY-3-8910 used on Gyruss never produced sound by FM synthesis. This soundchip uses simple AM modulation to produce a square wave timbre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.85.68.12 (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not even that. The AYs are basically 3-voice square wave chips with noise and a single envelope. With a trick you can do simple AM by abusing the envelope. The other konami games mentioned there are also dubious. The scc chip  was not capable of proper FM afaik. I think ima gonna delete that section. See if anyone notices :) 83.87.238.229 (talk) 12:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Mentioning chiptune releases in 1990s without mentioning the KFMF?
I mean, sure, the Kosmic Free Music_Foundation was heavily tracker/.MOD(etc.) based, but to have this article without mentioning what was possibly the first Internet music label, one which counted chiptunes amongst its releases, seems a little strange. 63.226.214.247 (talk) 23:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Why was the 'Tracker chiptune' section removed
Amiga chiptunes are entirely relevant to the history of chiptune. They pioneered a different way to reproduce the sound for sure, using small 1 cycle sample waveforms, but the limitations remained the same. Small amounts of memory, limited channels. Ask anyone from that era what music played in a cracktro (keygens of that time) and the answer will always be 'a chiptune' (Madfiddler) 17:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Adding documentary "Europe in 8 Bits" to Film section
I'm adding the documentary "Europe in 8 Bits" in Film section. I just happened to see it on the Fusion network this morning. I only caught the last I think 50 mins of it. It's really funny that no one has added it to the film section yet, as some of the same persons referenced in Chiptune are also in the documentary.

Rayghost 16:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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dates
Chipmusicians generally are not known for getting dates.

Benjamin (talk) 11:48, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Lemme know if this would be good to include. Benjamin (talk) 06:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Was reverted as vandalism. It's not vandalism. It is relevant, and sourced. Benjamin (talk) 01:37, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I didn't revert the edit, but I agree with it. It's not relevant. This is an article about the Chiptune music genre, not about Chipmusicians' social lives. It's also an anecdotal observation by a blogger, not a proper primary reliable source. Also the URL resolves in a 404 error so it doesn't quite meet WP:V. -Thibbs (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hi all! For one of my classes for school, I was tasked with adding onto a Wikipedia page, and I chose Chiptune! I simply love the genre of music and the community surrounding it! I decided to add an "Events" section because I felt as though chiptune events never get talked about as far as it being played live. As someone who has been to MAGFest and has worked at Chipspace Staff, it would be imperative to include this section to demonstrate that chiptune is still current, modern, and all-inclusive to all.

Anyway, feel free to disagree and delete it, although I don't see the need to. I just thought it was insightful! DevonneTourre (talk) 19:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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Let's play Bruce Lee's video game
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