Talk:Chobits

Spoiler Warning
W007, big spoilerchunk! Fellow Americans, heed the spoiler warning if you haven't seen them all yet, because it has info for ALL of the series. Emperorbma 01:14 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Chi's Special Ability
I am surprised the theme of Chi's special ability is not discussed. In the climax to the story, the manga and the Anime imply opposite action of this special ability; WHICH EFFECTS ALL PERSOCOMS EVERYWHERE. It seems Dr. Mihara has planted secret code in the firmware (bios) of all persocoms. When partially activated all persocoms "hear a voice I know well"  If the program were to be transmitted over the air, then the 'syndicate' or government could reverse engineer it. But a simple 'activation code' is unbreakable. The question is does Chi's special ability activate this progam code, or permantely lock it down. And what does this secret code do?? Does it convey the ability to love, be happy, to have free will, or all of the above? Also what is the secret of Dr. Mihara's sudden death?

Chii's special ability is the ability to erase the individual recognition abilities of all persocoms, everywhere, if she fails to find the person just for her. In the manga, if she does find the person just for her, nothing happens. In the anime, it is implied that she gave all persocoms the ability to feel emotion.

So, let's review:

1. In the manga, if Chii finds the person just for her, nothing happens. 1a. In the manga, if Chii does not find the person just for her, she will make a connection to every persocom on the planet, and forcibly delete their person recognition programs, turning them all into useless mannequins.
 * I think this is a extream interpretation. My feeling is that the ability to see a human as 'special' is eliminated.  Persocoms would become equally emotionally indifferent to people.  Not that facial regognition is eliminated.  They would still know who there owner is.
 * No, it is NOT an "extreme" interpretation. What I said was taken almost word-for-word from book eight of the manga. Look it up, if you'd like. Zima clearly states that if Chii's program had activated, he would have lost the ability to distinguish between people and even other persocoms.


 * Dita: If she hadn't stopped it [her program] all the persocoms in the world would have lost their individual recognition programs. That was her power, right?
 * Zima: Yup. Just imagine, you wouldn't recognize my pretty face anymore. And the same for me. I wouldn't differentiate between you, other 'coms, or even people.


 * Zima goes on to say that the purpose of this program was to save all of the world's persocoms from the pain of unrequited love, meaning that if the program had been excecuted, persocoms wouldn't have been able to differentiate between people, and hence, wouldn't have been able to fall in love with anyone. As a good friend of mine said: It would be like existing in a sea of people, all of whom are exactly the same, or, in a worst case scenario, not only would they not recongnize others, but they wouldn't even recognize themselves, wouldn't see themselves as being different from everybody else. In either case, it also means they wouldn't even be able to tell who their owners are. It doesn't say whether or not they would cease functioning entirely, but the effect would be pretty horrible either way. Your persocom wouldn't recognize you at all, probably wouldn't respond to your commands, probably wouldn't talk to you, probably wouldn't do anything at all. (After all, it won't know who owns it, so why would it speak to anyone anymore?) At best, they would retain basic computational functions, but they wouldn't be persocoms any more. They would be just computers, just like the computer you're using right now. You could probably still force it to talk and move, but any chance of human-level interection from it would be completely lost.PiccoloNamek 02:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

2. In the anime, if Chi finds the person just for her, it is implied that all persocoms will be given the ability to love or feel emotion. 2a. Presumably, in the anime, if Chii fails to find the person just for her, the same thing would happen as in the manga.

As for the nature of this program and its manner of operation, that is pure speculation and does not need to be discussed here. The previously mentioned program is discussed in great detail on the Chobits Characters page. Also, as far as I know, Ichiro Mihara did not have a doctorate in anything. ;)PiccoloNamek 02:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As to the programming, yes I speculated, but this is the Only practical way to do what is described in the story. After some research I will make some comments in Chi's caracter area.   In real life Ichiro, after having invented persocoms, and risen to (at least) the top research post, if not CEO, would have at a mininum, several honorary degrees. Thanks for the time and detail you put into your comments PiccoloNamek.
 * Don't add any baseless speculation to the Chobits Characters article. We don't do that on Wikipedia. Also, be aware that at least in the manga, Chii isn't actually transmitting any programming to any persocoms, but rather, her own program is directing her to delete the individual-recognition programs of other persocoms. Neither the manga nor the anime give any indication whatsoever as to how the program functions, so anything added to the article about that would be essentially made-up. Furthermore, how the program works has no bearing whatsoever on the story or the characters' development. In this manner, you could say that Chobits is the exact opposite of say, Ghost in the Shell: SAC. In Chobits, the characters come before the technology (indeed, the nature of persocom technology is barely alluded to at all) whereas in GITS:SAC, the technology is the driving force behind the series.PiccoloNamek 01:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, but it's just like Star Wars. We all know Anakin Skywalker is going to become Darth Vader, but it's finding out the how and why that's keeping people watching. Same here - just makes we want the 6th, 7th and 8th books even more.

(Above, sign your post please!)


 * No, Ichiro Mihara did not have a doctorate in anything as far as Chobits goes; he was an inventor. Maybe in Angelic Layer when he worked at that hospital where Shuko was, but no, LOL, he was not a doctor, I believe Piccolo made that QUITE clear. He was often referred to as 'Chief Mihara', as he was "the lead designer and president of Piffle Princess/Angelic Layer" (As Chitose Hibiya has stated)

He died from an illness, says Chitose Hibiya: "Time passed and an illness took my husband", courtesy of the anime. PiccoloNamek is right about the way that the program (Chi's, of course) functions, it is completely irrelevant to the storyline. All we know is that it works and that something baaaaad is going to happen to persocoms, aslo if you did pay attention, it was mentioned what was going to happen although it is very vague. You see, before you post things, you really need to look into nooks and crannies in the manga/anime for your answers. For instance, like it was pointed out before, you may not have noticed that Zima and Dita do mention what Chi's special power will do to the persocoms of the world. You'll also notice that Chitose Hibiya firms it up by saying that Chi DOES in fact possess a power that other persocoms do not, but she does not describe what this power is, as "there is a difference in knowing the answer and discovering it for yourself". You may think that just because Chitose Hibiya does not mention what the program will do, it is completely unknown. That is why you must REALLY pay attention to what is being said by all characters, as it can point out little clues to a larger conclusion. DiscardedDream (talk) 21:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Shimizu-sensei
Bit surprised to find Ms. Shimizu is able to remain a teacher - would've thought having it off with a student would mean she got kicked out of her job - Daveryan 22:36 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
 * I can only vouch for the anime, but I would assume that the manga is the same about having Shimizu-sensei and Shimbo return. Emperorbma
 * Why? There are both adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 23:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Naming
I redid naming according to how TokyoPop names the characters. See: http://www.tokyopop.com/dbpage.php?propertycode=CHB&categorycode=BMG&page=characterinfo WhisperToMe 03:03, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Tokyopop uses Shimbo but Geneon uses Shinbo. Wikipedia standard is revised Hepburn so using Shinbo. Page referenced above has given name as "Hiroshi" but the manga itself agrees with other sources as "Hiromu". Shiroi Hane 17:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Angelic Layer Connection
I noticed at the end of the article it mentions that the link between Angelic Layer and Chobits is broken in the anime - Ive found this not to be true, it's just a lot subtler. For instance if you look carefully during that nice lady's flashback you can see Icchan clearly, and there was a scene with a picture of Minoru and his sister (the Angelic Layer lady) that has her name on it...

Okay, that's just pedantic, isn't it? Sorry n.n

Well, CLAMP does have a habit of creating speculative links between their series. As for a direct link to Angelic Layer, it does not add up. No way could Hibiya be Misaki's mom - which would also require an explanation on Misaki's whereabouts. Therefore, any connection is disjointed. KyuuA4 05:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The Angelic layer page doesn't say that Hibiya is Misaki's mom, it says that Hibiya's husband is Icchan, and that Kaede is Minoru's older sister. For the most part, this actually works. TwilightxPrince 00:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

How is Chitose Hibiya supposed to be Misaki's mother? Is this because Shuko was shown to be Icchan's object of affection and then someone just assumed that somehow she ended up being Chitose with a Shuko mask on, and all of a sudden Chitose is a mom...? Something isn't right..LOL. I posted in Angelic Layer concerned about the relationship between Icchan and Shuko, and as far as the anime goes, Icchan obviously did have feleings for her, and also requested marriage, to which Shuko did not give a straight answer. Obviously, things did not work out between him and Shuko and so he then met Chitose Hibiya. In the Chobits manga, Chitose Hibiya says that she worked with her husband on Angelic Layer and the relationship there between Icchan and Shuko in the Angelic Layer manga is completely friendship based. As for that, there is obviously a connection to Angelic Layer in the manga if Kaede Saito is seen and so is Icchan. The manga and anime for both series circling around this connection is shown obvious as far as scenes with Kaede and Icchan go. For Shuko to be Chitose or for Chitose to be Misaki's mom is totally mad. That just adds a little bit more mystery to the story's origins and whatnot.. ANYWAY! I'm rambling on, so... DiscardedDream (talk) 21:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I would also like to say that we have concluded that Angelic Layer and Chobits ARE connected in fact, seeing as he is mentioned by name in the Chobits manga as well as images of other Angelic Layer characters, and shown in the anime along with Kaede Saito.

My source? Zima; courtesy the anime: "I must remind you of the creator of persocoms. He feels as if all humanoid persocoms were his children."

Sounds a bit like Icchan. He felt the same way for the Angelic Layer dolls in the anime.

Chitose Hibiya & Hideki; courtesy the manga: Chitose: My husband managed a toy company. Well, he did more than manage, he was the lead designer as well. He was the president, but he spent most of his time in his white lab coat cooped up in the lab. (Who else spent most of his time in a white lab coat, huh? ;P) ...... My husband invented the most advanced toy of its time-- a doll you could control with your mind.

Hideki: Oh, I've heard of those! Angelic Layer, right? That was all the rage until just recently.

Chitose later then states that Elda and Freya were created from the research he gathered from Angelic Layer. So with the amount of times that Angelic Layer is mentioned in the manga, there can be no room left for doubt. I can pretty much vouch for the anime as well, seeing as that's definitely Icchan and Kaede shown in the series, and that Zima mentions the creator (although it's certainly not put out blatantly that it's Ichiro Mihara) who obviously has the same value for non-living things, especially machines, that Icchan had.

DiscardedDream (talk) 00:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hideki's Age
The story centers around the life of nineteen-year-old-old Hideki Motosuwa,..
 * I have changed it to 18. In episode 1 Hideki says it twice that he is 18. --Walter 22:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the information is more likely to come from the manga, in which it may give his age as 19. It could be just a mistake however; I have yet to read the manga. Bennity 14:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * heyhehyhey, just remember that the Anime is based upon the manga, or visa versa, therefore maybe the article should stat that in the manga he is 19 and in the anime he is 18, or split the article up into one for the manga and one for the anime Ericschulz 10:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary to make one article for the manga and one for the Anime, as we've just got too much going on.. I think that it should be just said that in the manga he is 19, and in the anime he is 18, or just don't give his age at all and leave it to the character articles. DiscardedDream (talk) 06:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Persocon
"Besides a girlfriend, the other thing he dreams of having is a persocom (Personal computer), a computer designed to look and act like a human." This text and a the US translations (at least the manga) imply that persocom (パソコン) refers specifically to the person-shaped variety of computer found in Chobits; however, it is the Japanese word for PC (like what you're probably reading this on.) Fio Vaya 17:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "Persocom" I think is one of those words that has two words in it to make it one item, like "Unicow" (unicorn + cow), etc etc. Persocom could probably be best translated as person[shaped] + computer. Not personal computer, although if I recall, several persocoms are referred to as PC's.
 * By the way, "persocom" is not the Japanese translation for PC (as in what "you're probably reading this on", quote Fio Vaya). The word "personal computer" would be translated as a means of katakana since it is foreign. The actual word is (my spelling on the first word may not be correct) pasonaa konpyuuta.

If I've confused you as to how "persocom" (pasocon in Japanese) could not be the Japanese word for PC, you just need to think about it. Pasocon does not really hold any meaning to Japanese people except that like "persocom" in English, it combines two words into one (using paso and kon). The word pasonaa konpyuuta is translated from katakana as well based on the fact that it is a foreign word, and therefore pasocon could not be the Japanese word for PC. Please go to a Japanese vocabulary source and see if I am correct or not as there are multiple possibilities, although I am very confident that this information you have obtained is incorrect. DiscardedDream (talk) 08:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Persocom" is the Japanese abbreviation for "personal computer". These characters are, in effect, calling their beautiful robot women processors "PCs". WWWJDIC says so. Amazon sells computers as "persocoms". This isn't a word CLAMP made up.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 15:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Chobits — sexual intercourse
the "chobits" series being in line with the idea of only engaging in sexual intercourse with someone whom you are entirely in love with -- this is shown in the series, particularly when several males attempt to "interfere" with Chi.

When you consider the fact that a Chobit is physically incapable of engaging in sexual intercourse, this line seems kind of strange. Should it really stay?PiccoloNamek 18:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not that Chi is physically incapable, it's just there would be a devastating consequence to just Chi... she would lose all her memories again.


 * In the final volume, as Freya reveals exactly what the consequence would be to Hideki, the past lines from "A City With No People" that include the word "goodbye" begin to make sense. Thus Chitose Hibiya must have known of this consequence as well when making those books. Kinda strange a consequence should exist when the conditions cannot be met, thus the conditions should be able to be met.


 * When Freya asks Hideki of completing his love with Chi, Freya asks not "could" but "when" which is much closer to the meaning of "if", explicitly underlining the Hideki's threat to Chi's existence if they "become one". Which of course is an action Hideki would never take.


 * However, I agree that the line/theme in the article you brought up is a bit strange. To me it doesn't seem to exist in the series, at least not as a major theme. That theme could more be attributed to self-preservation of sorts, and seems to be no more a theme than a character wearing clothing in freezing weather.


 * In my opinion, that line/theme should be replaced. There are other themes that can be put there.


 * On another note, what does hiragana and katakana have to do with themes? I think that part belongs in another section.

Mark4011 01:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops. When I meant incapable I meant "effectively incapable". I should have clarified.PiccoloNamek 01:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

In the anime, doesn't it suggest that Hideki is allowed to come inside Chi? This appears to suggest that Chi is capable of sexual intercourse in the anime, since Chi says that only Hideki is allowed to touch her there.
 * I'm inclined to agree; the sheer amount of weight given to those lines, which are something along the lines of "Only the one for me can go inside" or somesuch, seems to indicate that sex for Chi is not an out-and-out impossibility. However, I am not familiar with the manga, and I am not confident enough in this to actually change anything. --Hashmir 05:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The manga states, very explicitly, that Chi cannot have sex without extremely dire consequences. (That is, the loss of all of her memory and personality data.).PiccoloNamek 06:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Since that's where her reset button is. - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 00:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Chibits?
Is the 27th episode the short called 'Chibits', which stars Sumomo and Kotoko? Even if not, the short should be at least mentioned. CFLeon 02:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the 27th episode is the last recap episode, consisting of a series of flashbacks and about 2 minutes of new animation. Chibits is a special short episode which came with the DVD I believe, see Chobits media information for more information. Vadigor 12:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Vadigor, I believe you're getting it mixed up. Chibits was a short starring Sumomo and Kotoko in which Chi goes out and forgets to buy underpants. The actual recap is when Hibiya recalls everything that happened, and Chitose was not seen in the short.DiscardedDream (talk) 06:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Quotation-based Citations
After being blown away by the quotation-based citations in the Chrono Trigger article, I thought that similar citations (referring to the Chobits manga) could be applied to this article as well. For example: Of course, some of the fields'll need clarification (Jake Forbes is the Editor and English Adaptor, which is not made apparent here), but the concept still stands. Let's see if we can stick a few of these in the article, shall we? --Ppk01 22:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hideki Motosuwa: My name is Hideki Motosuwa, 19 years-old. I'm a student-- well, I plan to be. First, I've got to pass these stupid entrance exams.

Rewrite of Plot
Excessive plot, and being anal about it, removed a large section and removed spoilers. - Random Guest.

I've just rewritten and added a lot to the Plot section, because there were some glaring inaccuracies (such as Shinbo determining that Chi had no OS installed), some spots where there was major over-elaboration (such as talking about what Persocoms can do for humans in the first paragraph), and some MAJOR omissions (the last 6 volumes worth of manga were given what amounts to 2 sentences, and there was no summary of the ending or anything). I may have made it too manga-centric (I haven't seen the anime in quite some time, and I don't own it to watch it now), or used some inaccurate terminology or naming conventions, but please forgive me if I have, it's just what I'm used to, and I'm a little too tired to proofread accurately at this point. ^^;

I think we should probably add a short section about the Characters here, and use the Main template to link to the page about Chobits characters instead of linking to it in "see also" at the bottom, and I might even write a little blurb about that tomorrow, but right now, sleep is my priority. If you wish to revert my changes, please at least explain why clearly, because I've spent a -lot- of time double-checking everything with my volumes of the manga (I own all 8 of the Tokyopop volumes) to make sure it was all accurate and everything. Thanks! Nique1287 03:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Is it really necessary to cover the entirety of the plot? Especially when much of that information is already presented on the characters page, in better detail, and with differences between the manga and anime presented. (I am also in the process of writing a grand list of references for all of the plot point discussed on that page.) I can already see some errors; Chii did not "set her memories to erase". It is explained, quite explicitly, by Freya, that one unit was not meant to hold two hearts, and that one would eventually overtake the other; this is why Elda lost her memories. Two, this part: "After a strange incident, in which Chi manipulates wires and her hair into restraining the owner of a peep show when he tries to touch her inappropriately," Chii never uses her hair to restrain anyone, and secondly, the wires were used at a much later point to restrain Kojima, not the peep show owner. Her shock wave/concussion blast was also used on both occasions.


 * You also forgot what is, by far, the biggest revelation in the whole seires: That the Chobits do not truly possess either emotions or free will, but can only do what has been defined within their programming; just like every other persocom. Freya herself says this when she takes over Chii's body.PiccoloNamek 06:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * To both of your replies, again, sorry if I made any errors (perhaps I was more tired than I thought), and feel free to correct them (I never stated that I wanted my summary to be the be-all and end-all, that's not what Wiki is about after all! ^^; ), but the prior plot summary was far, far worse. Again, the last 6 volumes got two sentences, compared to 4 long paragraphs about the first two, and the two sentences didn't even cover the ending, they said,
 * Before long it's clear that Chi is developing feelings for Hideki to a depth that persocoms aren't supposed to be able to have, and Hideki seems to be falling in love with her, despite his friends' warnings against having feelings for an artificial person.
 * and
 * As the story goes on the storybook begins to play a bigger part, with a lot of mystery behind it, in a much later episode we find out that Miss Hibiya draws the books, as she is not allowed to do anything else because of a promise she made to "him".
 * Also, we shouldn't rely on the Characters page for a Plot summary. There should be a good plot summary on the main article, as well, with enough detail to ensure that someone who has not previously encountered the series would be able to understand at least the basics from start to finish. As I've said before, not only here but on other articles I edit as well, don't think that I want my changes to remain static. Just the opposite! Wiki should grow, and, unless you want to revert to the old plot summary, I welcome and encourage you to make any changes you see fit to fix my summary. ^^ Nique1287 13:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The characters page does not contain a plot summary per se. It just kind of comes together that way while reading about the events that occur in the characters' lives. IMO, we should have a basic summary on the main page, and leave the fine details on the character page. The main page shouldn't reveal so much of the plot that you almost don't have to buy the books at all. The character page, by its very nature, is much freer to go into greater detail.PiccoloNamek 20:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I don't think the Characters page should have more plot explanation than the Plot section, even if it's all over the place as opposed to in one section. I hate to say "This other article has it, so this one should too", but many of the Good Article anime pages I've seen for completed series (Death Note, for example, or Serial Experiments Lain to use a Featured Article as an example) have either a summary of the full, basic plot (start to finish) on the main page, or a short summary of the plot with a separate page for a full summary. Either way, we should probably have a full summary instead of relying on the Characters page for plot details, and since the page isn't all that long, a full summary will still fit on the main page, since the only major reason for moving the Plot to its own page in any case is because of size guidelines for articles. Nique1287 21:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, for the most part. But I still feel that it is too long. I also disagree with you about the characters article. Such an article naturally will be able to go into much greater detail for each individual character and their own backstory, whereas such detail would normally be considered excessive for a main page. At least, that's how it was when I was working on the Final Fantasy Wikiproject.PiccoloNamek 00:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a seperate page for each character is needed, as well as a page to cover the plot in extensive detail, while a short summary remains viable for this main page. Also, there seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether it is the anime or the manga that is being used as the main source.  An agreement needs to be reached here, and maybe a new page for the differences between the manga and the anime needs to be created (of which there appears to be many from my experience between the entire anime series and the first three manga volumes). MelicansMatkin 01:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

"Perhaps a separate page for each character is needed,". I don't really think that is necessary. There isn't that much information available for each character, and some of the characters have almost no backstory at all (such as Hideki and Shinbo), making separate pages for them unnecessary. Such pages, lacking enough real information to justify their existence, would undoubtedly be composed mostly of cruft and speculation. And let's face it; some of the characters just don't appear that often. Can you imagine trying to fill an entire article with information about, say Kotoko, or Dita? As for the manga vs. anime debate, well... I'm not sure about this page, but the character page explains, (very well, I might add) where the manga and anime deviate from each other, and I am in the process of preparing references for both sides.PiccoloNamek 01:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The last rewrite that I saw was pretty outrageous (containing maybe a paragraph of each volume of the manga collection), and I noticed that someone changed "persocom" to android (why in the hell would that be done?) and the plot was awfully short in the aftermath of the overly long plot box. It didn't offer any insight to the beginning of the series, although you could basically sum it up by saying "Chobits is a sweet, boy-meets-girl love story for the cyber age". I decided we might just introduce them to the series a little bit and make them want to watch it and learn more about the plot. I remember that about a year ago, the plot box was really descriptive and followed the Keep-It Simple-Stupid principle, so I tried my best to make it that way again, explaining the beginning, leaving out the middle and some of the end and leaving that to the Differences Section (Now known as "Plot Development").

I think that PiccoloNamek was the one who initially edited it before this huge brawl, and if he has something to add to it, or fix up, please do because I think that's how it needs to be edited and I may not have done it right. Also, thanks to everyone who pitched in to help with this article by adding the Main Characters section and keeping it simple - although, do we still have a big mess at the List of Chobits Characters page? DiscardedDream (talk) 01:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The character page is a mess? I've worked harder on that than any other page on Wikipedia... *sniff* PiccoloNamek (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not so much a mess as in need of the next stage of work: adding information about the characters based on reviews (and if available, statements from the manga or anime's creators about how they created the characters). Also, expand the lead to give more context, and expand the entry on Chi to give roughly the same amount (and kind) of information as the other entries. And source everything you can. Or at any rate, that's on my list of Things To Do for the character page. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I had a very large list of references prepared, but I never could get the cite tag to work properly, so I gave up a long time ago. If you can get it working properly, that'd be awesome. Also, if statements from the creators could be found, that would be awesome. That is what I have always wanted but could never find. Also, if you need more information from Chi, you could just take it back from her dedicated page. PiccoloNamek (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can help out with formatting the cite tags. Just drop 'em in the best you can, and I can fix 'em -- or if I need to, ask what you were trying to do. :-) And, yeah, I'm planning to pull from Chi's article ... when I get there. One step at a time. The Reception is my next task. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (BTW, just to introduce myself, I'm coming in here as a cleanup specialist from the anime and manga cleanup project. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC))

A large amount of the references can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PiccoloNamek/Test&oldid=133288937. You can clean them up and cite them properly if you'd like. :) PiccoloNamek (talk) 14:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Statements from the creators aren't very likely to be found (it *is* Clamp we're talking about here, after all), I'd imagine that the vast majority of such statements will be in the manga volumes themselves. And just so you know, I'm also a member of the cleanup project, but rolled in here before that project was created. I haven't done anywhere near the amount of work on the Chobits articles that Quasi has, but I *did* start the manga chapter list (for what it's worth ;P ). — Dino guy  1000  19:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean in any way that you made the Characters page a mess, Piccolo!! :( However, I do vaguely remember that someone went in there and edited a whole bunch of stuff so that it had a bunch of unsubstantiated facts and a bunch of random garb in there, and I've been very busy, so I didn't go back to look at it. If it's fine, then great! Keep up the good work, because I think you are a true top contributor to the Chobits article.

Also, I'm a bit concerned with the random idiots coming into the article and posting their concerns about how we edit it rather than coming to the discussion area. If edits are going to be made, please "describe the changes you have made" (that is, if you finally got smart enough to come here at last). Again, if you want to criticize what's being done, come here.

DiscardedDream (talk) 00:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I use edit summaries. *pouty face* —Quasirandom (talk) 01:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I totally wasn't referring to you, Quasi, if that's what you're thinking! Sorry if that's how it sounded. I meant that someone posted their concerns on the article itself and provided sources that actually haven't really been discussed before being put there instead of coming here to see if it could be backed up by other contributors. For example, someone put in a reference to that Christina chick that did the review in 2002 (in the middle of a sentence in the adaptions, for christ's sake), and said that Angelic Layer has no connection to Chobits whatsoever. She's only a critic, and I don't know about the rest of you, but I saw the connection without even having to really think "The Angelic Layer guy is in CHOBITS!?!?!?! Like whoaa..."

So I deleted that source from the page, because obviously that person did not take the time to discuss it with us here, and as far as I'm concerned, that blurb done by Christina is just garbage, and it's only her opinion. At Wikipedia, opinions by freelance bloggers/critics or whatever should be questioned before being permitted, because there are so many of them. If opinions took over Wikipedia's standard for submitting facts, we'd all be posting on the article. She's a critic, not Clamp's personal representative (the way I see it, critics are only able to criticize what's there, they can't provide any insight to complicated storylines such as Chobits). DiscardedDream (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Underpants trivia...?
Anyone particularly in favour of the "Underpants" note in the trivia section? Chobits I mean, we don't have bodycounts in articles about gunslinging anime, nor do we even have a count of the number of times Chi says "Chi" during the series, I just don't see why the "underpants" count deserves a bullet in the trivia section (given that there are other things that can be counted, but aren't) --Lmaowitzer 02:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Admittedly, counting the number of references to underpants, in one episode of the dub of the anime series, seems a little bit too trivial to keep. Perhaps instead of having the trivia section at all, we could incorporate the current trivia into the appropriate sections of the article, and get rid of anything that doesn't have a place. In fact, the only real trivia worth keeping is the bit about the lack of distinction between Persocoms and personal computers. Even the bit about the HIDEKI clock is a little bit "Why is that there, again?" for me. Trivia should provide insight into the series, its creators, its connections to other series, and its cute-but-intentional references (not including simple product placement with the same brand name as something in the series), not just a hodgepodge of useless information. Nique1287 04:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, thanks for the support on that, and I agree on the HIDEKI clock point. For those that have seen the anime/read the manga, it's glaringly obvious, and it's hardly interesting trivia for those that havn't.  Additionally, the Azumanga Daioh article doesn't seem to feel the need to mention the "Azuman Daioh" clock in Yomi's room in a trivia section or in the article, even though it is essentially the same premise... I just can't really see any way to integrate them into the article at this time. Lmaowitzer 09:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

unless the total count matches something notable, like the infamous 666, its isn't that important to keep --Ditre 16:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Synopsis
It seems there is lots of stuff missing from the synopsis and I only know apart of it. Sorry don't know how to wikify. (unsiigned)


 * What is missing, exactly? I know plot better than the back of my hand, and I must say the synopsis given here is comprehensive and covers the main story very well. The only details that were left out were specific details of characters' backstories, but those aren't really appropriate here.PiccoloNamek 03:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Well for example I don't see any mention of Zima and Dita or Shinbo's romance with the teacher.I do realize you might have put some of that on the "characters of chobits page" but it does live a gap in the synopsis. Well maybe I'm confused; is this the synopsis for the manga or the anime? Because I don't quite recognize the ending.What about Hibiya erasing Chii's data? (unsigned)


 * They aren't integral to the plot. Zima and Dita don't further the plot at all, they really just give exposition on the situation, as far as I can remember. Even their interaction with Chi at the end is so minor, it's really not worth explaining who they are on here. As for Shimbo's romance, again, it's not necessary to explain it all here, because it doesn't further the plot. It gives a way for Hideki to see romantic feelings and have to face up to his feelings for Chi as they grow, but his feelings would grow for her without seeing Shimbo's romance. That's why there are "gaps": because they don't REALLY further the basic plot. (Also, please sign your talk page entries!. Thanks!) Nique talk 04:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Plot Section
The Plot section is way too long. It should be moved some where else and be improved. -Vcelloho 18:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree entirely. The plot section covers all of the plot necessary to give a reader a solid foundation in the universe of Chobits. If it were moved to its own article, this article would be no more than a stub, at best. The plot should stay here. However, feel free to improve it here. Wikipedia is about improving the information provided, after all. Nique talk 21:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Eyes Changing
I don't ever remember hearing or seeing that fact, and I've just watched the series again. MelicansMatkin 22:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It happens when Chii uploads her program in the final episode of the anime. All of the persocoms' eyes go from being solid colors to having real irises. Of course, logically, we know they all actually had irises all along. The appearance of their irises for the first time is symbolic of the beauty of gaining and feelung real emotions for the first time. You'll notice that afterwards their eyes go back to the way they were.PiccoloNamek 23:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Critical reception
Why isn't there such a section for this article? Love Hina has one and it even specifically mentions Chobits in it, so I'm sure there probably is enough information or sources for a section to exist here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.198.239.14 (talk) 02:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
 * It would make sense but no one has decided to go ahead and do it. If you feel so compeled I encourage you to go ahead and do so. -Vcelloho 23:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Be sure to provide references to back up your statements though. MelicansMatkin 02:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Convention?
Are we using translated character names or the original character names where they differ? - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 13:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots
If nobody has any objections, I would be more than happy to create screenshots of the manga and anime for placememnt in this article. MelicansMatkin 17:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It appears the anime screenshots were removed on the Character pages quite a while ago. I've got screenshots sitting in my documents, rotting... If no one has any objections to me adding them, then I'll do that in the near future. DiscardedDream (talk) 18:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, individual shots for each character is frowned upon, due to the strong drive to reduce the use of fair-use images (as part of making this a completely free, or free-as-possible, encyclopedia). One or two group shots are strongly perferred. Personally, I like to see a mix of manga and anime captures, to show the the respective art styles, but that's just personal. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I can do both the anime and manga, but as for group captures, I don't know of any in either. I'd have to do some checking up on it, but currently I'm too busy. Any suggestions as to what might be a good idea for a screenshot to use as a group? I know that a good one might be Hideki in Hibiya's little lab in front of the pictures of Elda and Freya, but I'm not sure. DiscardedDream (talk) 19:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No specific suggestion, I'm afraid -- it's been a couple years since I read the manga and I never made it through the anime. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The last recap episode of the anime contains a group shot of all the main characters (except for Hideki and Chi) at the end. Perhaps this could be used... rdnetto (talk) 15:57 12-05-2009 (UTC)
 * I have the DVDs so I'll try and take a look for that screenshot in a bit. If I can get it, I'll add it on. MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Genre
Is Chobits shoujo? I say that it is because of the philosophy/psychological aspect of the story. I can't shake the fact that it is more adult-themed (ecchi and shonen is very apparent here) but the storyline itself has a shoujo undertone to it. - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 07:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

While it does have shoujo undertones, it does not have the content to be classified as shoujo. The fact that it is a Seinen means that it is more adult themed and aimed at a male audience. Shōjo is a term used to refer to manga aimed at a young female audience. I fail to see how something like Chobits could appeal to younger females. Not only that but Chobits is serialized in Young Magazine a Japanese manga magazine aimed at adult males. While it can be somewhat debatable Chobits is simply not intended to be Shoujo. unsigned by 68.125.172.77

It has never really occurred to me that Chobits would ever be considered shoujo. Just because it contains elements of romance and whatnot does not automatically qualify it as shoujo. Males can enjoy a good love story too. And since when did elements philosophy and psychology automatically qualify a story as being oriented toward a female audience? One of the things I loved most about the manga was the portrayal of the relationships between the characters, especially between humans and their persocoms. The ecchi elements were, for me, a momentary distraction at best.

You must also consider the demographic that the series is aimed at. I must agree with our oft-reverting friend here: I don't think that Chobits was intended for an audience of female readers.PiccoloNamek 06:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying that males can't enjoy a love story. I believe that the demographic is slightly older (much, much older than young adult-- I wouldn't actually classify it as either seinen or shoujo for the reason that the anime debut was at the midnight slot). - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 06:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Call it what you will just please don't start an edit war. Please refrain from adding Soujo to the genres. unsigned by 68.125.172.77
 * Are you going to explain your own reasoning? Please sign your posts... - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 08:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Whether YOU classify it as shoujo or seinen does not change the fact that it IS seinen.
 * We still need sources (which is why that the fact tag was left there on my last edit). - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 08:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

You will not find any sources that identify Chobits as a shoujo, and just because we disagree with your opinion it does mean that you can start an editing war. PLEASE do not add shoujo to the genre list for Chobits.

Who the fuck is the idiot that thinks Chobits is shoujo?

honestly, i don't think that romance would be so existent in a show that is seinen and not also shoujo (it is possible for some to be both!), but even without a source it should be left in for at least a month with the fact tag on it. and for the comment 2 parts up that wasn't signed... i do not see a source saying its seinen --Ditre 02:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it is serialized in Young Magazine, a Seinen manga magazine, should be enough for it to not be Shoujo. And since when does Romance alone make a something shoujo? It needs a lot more than just romance to be Shōjo.

I'm removing the overly long plot box to give the article back its aesthtic beauty.

Is Chobits considered a partialy Harem manga/anime? Since in the end, Hideki lives with three persocom, but he only loves Chii. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeslogan (talk • contribs) 18:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Chi(i)?
Okay, this article is calling her "Chi", but this article is calling her "Chii". One of these is correct, but the other isn't. So which is the correct term? -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 05:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "Chi" is the correct term in the manga. In the anime, "Chii" is correct. We have opted to use the manga spelling in Chobits related articles. However, seeing as that article is about the anime episodes specifically, I think that spelling should be left in place, especially considering that "Chii" (ちぃ) appears in the episode title cards. It would be odd if the title in English directly contradicted the Japanese title.


 * That article also appears to need some drastic cleanup work. PiccoloNamek 08:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * One thing I've noticed is that in the anime her name is spelt "Chii" on the DVD cases and in the episode titles, but it's actually spelt "Chi" in the closing credits. I don't think it really matters which way it's spelt when talking about the anime. MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

In the anime, Chii's paycheck envelope says "Chii" in hiragana, so that is probably the correct spelling as far as the anime is concerned.PiccoloNamek (talk) 02:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification :) MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Given the decision here to use the manga spelling on her name, shouldn't the articles also use Plum? —Quasirandom (talk) 19:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed that too, and it doesn't make any sense to me, either. I say go ahead and change it. — Dino guy  1000  16:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me.PiccoloNamek (talk) 16:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Done in the main and character articles. Does the English dub of the anime use Sumomo or Plum, though? —Quasirandom (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea, I've never seen it (though I'd like to). — Dino guy  1000  18:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

In the anime she is called Sumomo.PiccoloNamek (talk) 18:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, then I'm leaving the episode list alone and adding the anime name to her character blurb. (Now to finish digesting the dozen+ reviews I've found.) —Quasirandom (talk) 20:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It's spelled Chi for the anime except for some of the outside US versions such as the Australian version. AngusWOOF (talk) 15:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikiproject robotics?
I really don't think this is appropriate. Sure, there are androids in Chobits, but the technology is not the primary focus of the series. In fact, technical information of any kind is incredibly sparse and minimally discussed, with the emotional connections between the characters and their experiences together being the primary focus. PiccoloNamek (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Artbook
The artbook was translated to english a few months ago. Seeing as this is the newest english chobits product in a while (atleast I think) should it be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.228.15 (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Added. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Android
Unless a damn good rationale can be provided to explain why nearly all instances of "Persocom" were replaced with "android" I will be reverting that change very soon.PiccoloNamek (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Already been done, no need to worry :) DiscardedDream (talk) 18:28, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I'm proposing that Chobits media information be merged into the Media section of this article. Both places have links to the episode and chapter lists, and what little additional information the media page has can easily be accomodated in this main page without making readers click twice to get what they want. Furthermore, list of media articles are depreciated per the relevant style guidelines in favor of lists of individual formats where needed. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - There is so little information on the media page that it would be easy to merge it into the main article for the reasons stated above. David Bailey (talk) 07:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - go for it. The OP/ED info should be merged with the ep list, the voice actors are (or should be) redundant to the character info, the staff is likely mostly trivial information not worth noting, and the licensor is pretty obvious and already noted in the infobox here. In short, about half of the content looks redundant or not noteworthy, and the rest whould be very staightforward to merge. — Dino guy  1000  17:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much my reading of the work to do. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then, just smack me for reiterating/stating the obvious. ;) — Dino guy  1000  20:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No smackage from me -- it's good to get a confirmation from other eyes. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

And after five days with no dissent, the consensus is merge. I've started copying some of the material; I'll finish the work of merging today during breaks. Wanna do this carefully to make sure I get all the non-duplicate material over. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

There: merge (I think) complete. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Things to do here
Things that need to be done to address and so get rid of the cleanup tags, at least as I see it: And, of course, add as many references to third-party sources as possible. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Convert the reception section to prose and expand it by adding summaries of reviews of the manga and sales figures (both in English and in Japanese), including if at all possible reviews in Japanese.
 * Expand the blurb about Chi to have roughly the same depth of information as Hideki's blurb.
 * Source (with reliable sources) the Themes. It's really good information -- exactly the sort of things Wikipedia is looking for -- but because it requires interpretation to come up with those, it is original research unless you can show it's been noted by reviewers (or, better, academics), and as such liable to be deleted outright if a deletionist passes through -- and said person would have policy on his/her side.
 * Figure out where in the scheme of the guidelines for this kind of article to put the etymology information, and then put it there.
 * Once cleaning up things has stablized, expand the lead to mention some of the information in each main section of the article. A good rule of thumb is at least one sentence for each main section, but that is far from a guideline.

I really don't want to sound like a retard, but what would be the best source to use for the Themes section etc, if none of it can be substantiated from the manga/anime in a blatant way? After all, like it's been pointed out, there aren't that many available sources for proving what themes exist in this series. Screenshots of the anime and manga could prove the sexual themes, but I don't believe it would be appropriate to put here, for obvious reasons (even my mom found Episode 9 of Chobits dialogue alone "repulsive and disgusting"). We had a link at one point to a fanscan of "A City with No People" at one point, I think it's on the separate Wiki page for that book, if it still exists. Then, if people want sources, they just go to the fanscan, read it, and then they think "For the most part, this makes a bit of sense relating to the manga/anime's characters".

The only way we could really prove that the themes are there, and that they do exist is just by saying so, but again, what is the most effective way of backing it up? I'm just wondering this because it seems that doing this would be a challenge, and I would like to back up any work that I've done on this article, personally, that is flagged as "needing references". DiscardedDream (talk) 18:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The best source is critics (or if possible academics) talking about the series in reliable sources -- such as ANN, AnimeOnDVD (which is now Mania.com). Mainstream review publishers, if they can be found. The key being not self-published, such as blogs, unless they're from noted experts. As I've been going through the 20-odd reviews I collected, I found off-hand mentions that support some of the theme statements. If you like, I can post the collection (I won't be using all of theme in the Reception section, as there's some mightily repetitious stuff in there) (and yes, I'm still working on writing that up - sorry 'bout the delays). —Quasirandom (talk) 20:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In the interest of improving the reception section, the following is an excerpt from Anime News Network regarding the anime, source here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/chobits/dvd-6
 * What began as a fairly run-of-the-mill shounen romance series has become, in typical CLAMP fashion, a genre-bending, thought-provoking story that unfortunately has already turned away high-minded anime fans thanks to a bunch of early episodes that focused more on panties than on substance. The end of Chobits winds up being something that would appeal to a huge range of anime fans; anyone who appreciates touching romance and understated drama punctuated by beautiful animation and high production values will love this. It's too bad a metric ton of panties sent discriminating anime fans away screaming about 15 episodes ago.
 * The above link also makes the claim that Chi and Hideki's relationship is a metaphor for man's relationship to technology. Another review (this one at minitokyo.net) notes the thematics of the story as "machines replacing humans, love, friendship, and what it really means to be 'alive.'" (Source: http://browse.minitokyo.net/116/chobits/ The full text of the review can be found here: http://reviews.minitokyo.net/1059/chobits/ ).  I am not, however, familiar enough with the Reliable Sources guidelines to pass judgement as to whether the above reviews qualify or not.  141.166.234.196 (talk) 23:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Stash of reviewer references
Here's my collection of reviewer references, for digesting into the Reception section. Those already formatted as cite web are already used in the article. This is far from complete, as it's over a year old. Feel free to use them as you can:


 * ANN v1-2


 * ANN dvd1


 * ANN dvd2:


 * ANN dvd6:


 * THEM anime:


 * Mania all


 * Mania dvd1:


 * Mania dvd1


 * Mania dvd1


 * Mania dvd2:


 * Mania dvd2


 * Mania dvd2


 * Mania dvd3


 * Mania dvd3


 * Mania dvd4


 * Mania dvd4


 * Mania dvd5


 * Mania dvd5


 * Mania dvd6


 * Mania dvd7


 * AMR series


 * Active Anime manga omnibus 2


 * Mania omnibus 1

Hope this helps. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Themes
I think the "Themes" part of the article misses entirely. The plot focuses on the relationship between Chi and Hideki, but it's the human-human relationships that I feel are more important to the theme - Shimizu and Shinbo's relationship and Yumi and Ueda's relationship. The theme is not that a human-persocom relationship can happen, it's that love can form between two people regardless of the view that society holds over it. CeilingNinja (talk) 05:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * See above -- the Themes section needs to be well-sourced to reviews and criticism, rather than being our personal interpretations. (That said, I should probably list out here all the reviews I collected but haven't gotten around to using in the Reception section, so that others can use 'em. That would be, yanno, considerate of me.) —Quasirandom (talk) 16:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know about anyone else, but I think that the "Themes" section is a little light and single directional. There's only really the base surface themes being presented and not the clear parallels between Chi, persocoms, and the myth of the "perfect girl." As far as I'm reading, it smears the walls with the Japanese otaku culture. The concept of a "perfect someone" is a theme idolized by this subculture and has some very unsettling undertones for the dominant/submissive roles of Chi and Hideki, let alone the implications of the "Robot Spouse." Am I the only one on this page? I can write up the edit myself, I just wanted to clear it. Doomed1 (talk) 02:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

How Much Does Chi Know About Her Past?
I assert that Chi is mostly ignorant.

For: Ms. Hibiya remarks in vol 1 that "You really have forgotten everything // have lost all your data. It is probably just as well." I haven't seen her say anything more about it to Chi. For: Freya also remarks in vol 2 that Chi has forgotten everything, and also says nothing further. Freya says that she will address Chi as "Chi". Against: Chi says to Hideki in vol 2 that "Ms. Hibiya couldn't "give" Chi this dress, because it was Chi's dress." I can't tell from that how much more Chi knows.

Present your arguments. C2equalA2plusB2 (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * In volume seven of the manga, Freya explains to Chi everything that happened. Who she used to be, who created her and why, what her life was like, and what happened to the both of them. Everything. The best you could say is that Chi was initially ignorant. PiccoloNamek (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That explanation occurs "simultaneous" to Ms. Hibiya explaining Elda's background to Hideki; the explanations are interleaved. At the end the reader of the manga knows more than either Hideki or Chi. For example, Ms. Hibiya, and therefore Hideki, do not know the content of the last conversation between Elda and Freya; while Freya and Chi do not know anything about what happened after Elda fell asleep.

What does Chi know at the end?
 * She knows that mommy named her Elda.
 * She knows that she had/has a sister, who has stopped and now resides in her heart and protects her. She knows in outline the history of why her sister stopped.  She doesn't know her sister's name.  Freya hasn't mentioned it.
 * She knows that she had a mommy and daddy who loved her very much. Chi probably hasn't learned the words "mommy" and "daddy" yet.  Freya hasn't mentioned mommy or daddy's names and almost certainly hasn't shown Chi any image of mommy or daddy - that would risk tainting Chi's search for the someone special.  Freya hasn't mentioned that daddy is dead, and quite likely doesn't know it.
 * Chi doesn't remember any of this. Freya says "That's because of me." Freya remembers for Elda, and Elda has forgotten her past life. Chi only knows what Freya has told her about her earlier history.

How might the character entry be edited? To substitute the word "sister" for "Freya", and remove the word "twin". Chi doesn't know Freya's name. And though Elda and Freya seem physically identical, Freya is definitely older and in Japan Elda would always refer to Freya as "oneesan" ("sister"). In the manga Freya's system wasn't wiped at her own request; it stopped because the pain was unbearable and Freya wanted to stop it. Nothing mommy and daddy could do could keep Freya's system going, or restart it. Lastly, I would like to change the verb "spark" to "guide". Mommy figured that Elda/Chi would seek love on her own, because it is her nature. Ms. Hibiya wanted to inform and guide Chi's search. C2equalA2plusB2 (talk) 00:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Should chobits be listed under Category:Robots in fiction?
The story of chobits is about robots correct? CensoredScribe (talk) 01:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Do reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define the show(insert article name here) has having to do with (insert category here)? Would (category name) be appropriate to mention in the lead portion of an article? (DEFINING) No? Then no. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 02:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Goto just about any source listed in the article, press F3 and type in "Robot" in the search bar, I am picking up the mention multiple times as well as Chi being a robot one of the central aspects of the series. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I see so I can't add categories until the article it's self doesn't suck; even when a google search is all you need; interesting. CensoredScribe (talk) 04:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Verifiability is one of our core policies. Categories that are unsupported by reliable sources in the article are not verifiable. Interesting? No, basic to Wikipedia. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 05:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

The fact that Chi is a robot can be verified directly from the current English-language publisher of the manga: "[http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/16-633/Chobits-Vol-1-Omnibus-Edition-TPB "Some people buy their personal computers based on style. . . and in near-future Japan, the hottest style for your "persocom" is shaped like an attractive android! Poor student Hideki, fresh off the farm and trying to get into a Tokyo university, has neither money nor a girlfriend -- then finds a persocom seemingly discarded in an alley. Taking the cute robot home and activating it, Hideki finds her affectionate, but amnesiac, able only to say the word "Chi" -- and so he names her.]" Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 00:52, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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