Talk:Chocolate/Archive 5

Archive 4
Any threads that have not been active for a month or so have been moved to Archive 4. --Wtshymanski (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from MarcoMaya, 9 November 2010
edit semi-protected

Chocolate (pronounced /ˈtʃɑklət/ in North America or /ˈtʃɒkəl(ɨ)t/ in British Commonwealth nations outside of North America ( listen)) comprises a number of raw and processed foods produced from the seed of the tropical Theobroma cacao tree. Cacao has been cultivated for at least three millennia in Mexico, Central America, with its earliest documented use around 1500 BC. The majority of the Mesoamerican people made chocolate beverages, including the Aztecs, who made it into a beverage known as cacahuaatl '[ref]Fray Alonso de Molina: Vocabulario en Lengua Castellana y Mexicana y Mexicana y Castellana.' An alternative spelling is chokolatl'' "bitter water" in the Nahuatl Mayan language. ' The seeds of the cacao tree have an intense bitter taste, and must be fermented to develop the flavor.

If you disagree on erasing xocoatl, please look at the next section Etymology or read the sources. It is true xocoatl never appears in classical nahuatl sources. Some of the articles are written of really good scholars. I have put my reference on the very best nahuatl-spanish dictonary in italics. MarcoMaya (talk) 09:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: I can't readily verify the source. But it's in the special collections vault at my library. I'll try to locate it if no one else fulfills this request in a timely manner. -Atmoz (talk) 15:48, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So how did they render their word for "chocolate" in English letters? Is this just a case of different transcriptions of Nahuatl into English letters? --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm going to decline this until the source can be verified. Is there an online version of this book, such as on Google Books or JSTOR? Hers fold  (t/a/c) 19:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, never mind, I found it. I'm trying to verify it now. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 19:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there aren't any page numbers, but I'm pretty sure I've found it; the spelling above isn't exact but the entry reads "Cacauaatl. beuida de cacao", which my rudimentary Spanish is translating as "drink of chocolate". If anyone else wants to confirm, here's the Google Books link, and there are two other digitalizations available at the book's article. I'll still leave this for now, just to make sure there's a consensus for it. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 20:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * From a source I have long forgotten the identity of, I recall the native name as "xoco-lot". This might only be a confusion matter... Regards, Nikevich (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Minor copy-editing query
I see, near the beginning of the text, "'Cocoa solids contain alkaloids such as theobromine and phenethylamine, which have physiological effects on the body. It has been linked to serotonin levels in the brain.'"

What does 'it' refer back to? Is it the substance called "cocoa solids", or is it an instance of "it", drifting into contemporary usage with a plural antecedent, referring to theobromine and phenethylamine? Regards, Nikevich (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Choco bakery defined
“A snack product that combines a traditional sweet or savory flour based biscuit, wafer or cake with chocolate aggregates, a chocolate layer/coating or a biscuit molded with chocolate”.

Choco bakery products are normally born from new product ideas stemming from traditional biscuit brands and makers mark, but recently chocolate brands have entered and gained prominence in this blurred consumer space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.228.220.37 (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Pleasure
In the first paragraph under "Potential health effects," the word "pleasure" links to the article on Epicureanism. Why not just have it link to the Pleasure article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.40.37 (talk) 02:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.115.61.55, 3 February 2011
Can you please put: http://www.luluschocolate.com on the map? We have been making yummy Raw Chocolate since 2007! Spanks!

76.115.61.55 (talk) 04:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: See WP:LINKFARM. Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. Viriditas (talk) 05:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

YouTube video of interesting chocolate maker in Paris
Came across a cool video of a chocolate shop -- chocolate sculptures, candies, etc. People who follow this page may wish to consider adding it to the external links: Visit to a Paris chocolate shop --Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Chocolate making process
"Chocolate in its solid form was invented in 1847." And the next paragraph: "For hundreds of years, the chocolate making process remained unchanged. When the people saw the Industrial Revolution arrive, many changes occurred that brought about the food today in its modern form." And again: "In the 18th century, mechanical mills were created that squeezed out cocoa butter..." I see some inconsistency with the dates, because the 18th century means the 1700s, and the Industrial Revolution was close to its end in 1847.--80.99.207.235 (talk) 17:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * After looking at the timeline of chocolate I couldn't see anything I would want to change in those paragraphs. Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 17:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Source
WhisperToMe (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * (video) "The dark side of chocolate." CNN. April 6, 2011.

All fieldmuseum.org links (in citations) are obselete
Many linked pages used in citations for this article appear to have been removed from the fieldmuseum.org site.

Penina (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.187.98.9, 14 June 2011
"or as the Aztecs called it, a "tribute."

I highly doubt the Aztecs spoke Latin, but I could be crazy.

67.187.98.9 (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, nice catch! The old link was dead, so when I found the source I reworded it.  I think someone was trying to be a little too close to the source text.  ~  Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 23:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Spelling
A Google search on CHOCALATE returns 5 million hits. Is this just a mis-spelling, or a genuine variation? It ought to be included in the diambiguation, but that is locked

109.144.246.87 (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Vase Image
Describing the seated individual on the Maya vase painting as a "chief" is incorrect. It would be more accurate to describe them as a "lord" or "ajaw." Furthermore, in depictions such as this one it is common for the seated individual to be receiving gifts. The bowl of chocolate was thus likely given to the lord by the kneeling individual. Rather than "forbidding" the kneeling individual from touching the bowl, it seems more likely that the depicted hand gesture is simply a motion accompanying speech. The caption as depicted -"A Mayan chief forbids a person to touch a jar of chocolate"- should be accompanied by a reference to a scholarly source if that is indeed the interpretation of an epigrapher who has studied the vase. Otherwise, a more accurate caption would read "A Maya lord accepts a bowl of chocolate." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackliota (talk • contribs) 01:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Fermentation?
How are the beans fermented? Is water added, yeast or bacteria? What happens chemically during fermentation? Do we get ethanol or lactic acid? AxelBoldt (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Photos Abstract Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 01:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Maybe we should add some of that information to the article. AxelBoldt (talk) 22:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

QUESTION: Does Fermentation actually improve the flavour? Or is it done to help remove the shell? 24.85.227.243 (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fermentation is required for flavor. There's a lot of sources, page 88 of this document talks about this and seems to be authoritative. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I grow my own chocolate in Guatemala and I do not ferment it just sun dry toast,peel the skin and grind. Wouldnt fermentation take out all the goodness?cacaocreena

Omitted topics, or close...
From the Wikipedia articel about the history of chocolate: "'At the end of the 18th century, the first form of solid chocolate was invented in Turin by Doret. This chocolate was sold in large quantities from 1826 by Pierre Paul Caffarel. In 1819, F. L. Cailler opened the first Swiss chocolate factory. In 1828, Dutchman Coenraad Johannes van Houten patented a method for extracting the fat from cocoa beans and making powdered cocoa and cocoa butter. Van Houten also developed the 'so-called' Dutch process of treating chocolate with alkali to remove the bitter taste. This made it possible to form the modern chocolate bar. It is believed that the Englishman Joseph Fry made the first chocolate for eating in 1847, followed in 1849 by the Cadbury brothers.'"

IIrc, this article (Chocolate) doesn't mention pressing to extract cocoa butter, nor does it describe the alkali process; both seem like quite-serious omissions. Regards, Nikevich (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

This article also seems to omit refining, or at least to try to include it in the conching description, even though the conching article makes no mention of this beong a grinding step. Raisedonadiet (talk) 10:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Producers
Barry Callebaut is the largest producer of chocolate in the world, not Mars or Hersey as the article states unsourced. Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576065653793194740.html Why is this article semi-protected anyway? it's about chocolate fgs :o--85.151.204.175 (talk) 08:03, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The semi-protection is due to massive repeated vandalism, up to not being able to maintain the page. Several attempts to lift the semi-protection failed (the vandalism returned each time). Eldar (talk) 22:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This might even be true, though hard to verify, if the ranking is "Company that sells the most chocolate" and not "Company that sells the most stuff (including chocolate)". Kraft and the others are much larger companies but have many other product lines; Callebaut also sells fruit snacks and hard candy. I wish we had a better reference than an off-hand line in the WSJ, thoguh. Soemthing ranking chocolate sales by company, perhaps? Can Google find this for me?  --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2011
please add චොකලට් to the language bar since we have translated some part of this article into sinhala.

නීසා (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks-- Jac 16888 Talk 17:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Resource regarding Planetary boundaries and Holocene extinction
From Talk:Effects of global warming ...
 * Climate Change Could Melt Chocolate Production; A new study shows that cocoa will suffer under climate change by Tiffany Stecker and ClimateWire Scientific American October 3, 2011
 * Climate change: Will chocolate become a costly luxury? If temperatures continue to rise, a new report suggests, West Africa, source of half the world's chocolate, will be unfit to grow the coveted beans posted on The Week September 30, 2011

See Climate change and agriculture and Effect of climate change on plant biodiversity.

141.218.36.41 (talk) 22:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 January 2012
Improvements to storage of chocolate (with source)

Trivial change: "Ideal temperature for storing chocolate is 16-18 C, but will do very well up to 24 C."

Optional non-formatted change: Fat bloom is caused by storage temperature fluctuating or exceeding 24 C while sugar bloom is caused by temperature below 15 C or excess humidity. To distinguish between different types of bloom, one can rub the surface of the chocolate lightly, and if the bloom disappears, it is fat bloom. One can get rid of bloom by re-tempering the chocolate or using it for anything that requires melting the chocolate.

Source: Frederic Bau (Editor), Clay McLachlan (Photographer), Pierre Herme (Foreword), L'Ecole du Grand Chocolat Valrhona (Contributor) (2011). Cooking With Chocolate: Essential Recipes and Techniques. Paris: Flammarion, S.A. pp. 147. ISBN 978-2-08-020081-5

80.220.71.129 (talk) 08:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Messed up links to other languages
Can someone explain why the last edit degraded all the links to chocolate articles in other languages to a bunch of red links at the bottom? Mikael Häggström (talk) 12:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The reference was entered twice. When I removed the second entry (in External Links), the problem disappeared. While checking that it had disappeared I saw interaction between the two references briefly, but I could not see how or why they were interacting, the formatting appeared OK. Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 21:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the problem Mikael Häggström (talk) 05:35, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Duplication in 1st Paragraph
There are two sentences in the 1st paragraph that are essentially identical.

1st Paragraph: Cacao has been cultivated for at least three millennia in Mexico, Central and South America.

5th Paragraph: Theobroma cacao, native to Mexico, Central and South America, has been cultivated for at least three millennia in that region.

I would recommend removing the second one entirely, and combining the rest of the 5th paragraph with another one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.175.37.164 (talk) 14:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 00:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Tempering section and chocolate melting point
In the tempering section, the citation for the six crystalline forms of cocoa butter (citation #61) appears to link to an About.com page that does not actually mention anything about crystalline forms whatsoever. I would like to point out a more suitable reference taken from the following paper (which involved x-ray crystallography):

Loisel et al. "Phase Transitions and Polymorphism of Cocoa Butter". JAOCS, Vol. 75, no. 4 (1998)

On page 426, Table 2 gives seven separate references for the melting point of each form of cocoa butter. The current Wikipedia article closely resembles "reference 10" from Loisel et al 1998 (Wille, R.L., and E.S. Lutton, Polymorphism of CB, Ibid. 43:491–496 1966) in both temperatures and labeling conventions, and so it may be the most appropriate as a replacement citation for #61 on the Wikipedia page.

The I-VI labeling convention seems to be the most popular, and so I would definitely recommend sticking with it. In addition, the Loisel 1998 paper should probably also be cited somewhere in the body of the text, for those interested in the current scientific consensus on the melting point of various stages of cocoa butter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.13.42 (talk) 05:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- Added reference, Phase Transitions and Polymorphism of Cocoa Butter, to Tempering section. Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Redundent text
The HISTORY section contains the following text:

'The Aztec adaptation of the drink was a bitter, frothy, spicy drink called xocolatl, made much the same way as the Mayan chocolate drinks. It was often seasoned with vanilla, chile pepper, and achiote, and was believed to fight fatigue, which is probably attributable to the theobromine content, a mood enhancer. Because cacao would not grow in the dry central Mexican highlands and had to be imported, chocolate was an important luxury good throughout the Aztec empire, and cocoa beans were often used as currency.[16]'

'In the New World, chocolate was consumed in a bitter, spicy drink called xocoatl, and was often flavored with vanilla, chili pepper, and achiote (known today as annatto).[17] Xocoatl was believed to fight fatigue, a belief that is probably attributable to the theobromine content. Chocolate was also an important luxury good throughout pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, and cacao beans were often used as currency.[18] For example, the Aztecs used a system in which one turkey cost one hundred cacao beans and one fresh avocado was worth three beans.[19] South American and European cultures have used cocoa to treat diarrhea for hundreds of years.[20]'

I think it should read as follows:

'The Aztec adaptation of the drink was a bitter, frothy, spicy drink called xocolatl, made much the same way as the Mayan chocolate drinks. It was often seasoned with vanilla, chile pepper, and achiote (known today as annatto)[16], and was believed to fight fatigue, which is probably attributable to the theobromine content, a mood enhancer. Because cacao would not grow in the dry central Mexican highlands and had to be imported, chocolate was an important luxury good throughout the Aztec empire, and cocoa beans were often used as currency.[17][18] For example, the Aztecs used a system in which one turkey cost one hundred cacao beans and one fresh avocado was worth three beans.[19] South American and European cultures have used cocoa to treat diarrhea for hundreds of years.[20]'

Footnotes [16] and [17] would have to be switched if this change is made.

68.127.148.79 (talk) 20:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ Redundancy has been edited out. Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 02:45, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Child labor
As it is currently written, this article and the related one on children in cocoa production read as an attempt to bury the child labor, exploitation and slavery / forced labor issue. It's a big issue, one that deserves its own subheading under Production, so it would show up in the listing of sections at the top and people could become aware of it. See for example: http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/24/news/international/chocolate_bittersweet.fortune/

I'd suggest collecting the few sentences you have, adding a reference to the other central issue of exploitation and forced labor (i.e., it's not just that children are working - they are working against their will, often as captives), and the link to the other article on the topic, under a suitable subheading in the Production section.

It doesn't have to be long, but it shouldn't be disingenous to the point of being misleading, as it is now. "Children in cocoa production" is an incredible understatement of the issue. Google on chocolate slavery, if you need a reality check. 68.162.207.160 (talk) 20:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I just read this post re. child labor in the chocolate industry. Wow...There is a lot written on this subject.(GlassLadyBug (talk) 20:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC))

Edit request on 17 December 2012
please erase all the wrong thing which can not be proved or have any justification in nahuatl launguange. Make the article a whole. Please I have studied the cultural history of chocolate for many years. I hurts me to se all these wrong things to continue. My written English is bad so please do. And I am not allowed to due to your rules.

Chocolate (pronounced /ˈtʃɒklɨt/ ( listen) or /ˈtʃɒkəlɨt/) comprises a number of raw and processed foods produced from the seed of the tropical Theobroma cacao tree. Cacao has been cultivated for at least three millennia in Mexico, Central America, with its earliest documented use around 1500 BC. The majority of the Mesoamerican people made chocolate beverages, including the Aztecs, who made it into a beverage known as cacahuaatl '[ref]Fray Alonso de Molina: Vocabulario en Lengua Castellana y Mexicana y Mexicana y Castellana. The seeds of the cacao tree have an intense bitter taste, and must be fermented to develop the flavor.

If you disagree on erasing xocoatl, please look at the next section Etymology or read the sources. It is true xocoatl never appears in classical nahuatl sources. Some of the articles are written of really good scholars. I have put my reference on the very best nahuatl-spanish dictonary in italics. FIND THE BOOK IN A LIBERERY


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. and please cite a reliable source. A non-English book title followed by "FIND THE BOOK IN A LIBERERY" isn't quite sufficient, I'm afraid. Pol430   talk to me  19:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Select Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor.
so pretty much there is chemicals in chocolate that help calm people down. these are called SSRI's. I found a page that goes into depth about the effects. the site name is Dark Chocolate and Serotonin. if we can make mention of that in paragraph 3. --Toad573 (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Mexicans didn't know about milk???
"The Europeans sweetened and fattened it by adding refined sugar and milk, two ingredients unknown to the Mexicans." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.167.4.100 (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that they had any domesticated animal from which they could produce and consume milk until after the arrival of Europeans. Edgeweyes (talk) 19:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Of course there was not any animal to get milk... got milk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.206.54.47 (talk) 19:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Chocolate still contains its alkaloids or it is no longer chocolate?
Both themes are mentioned but unrelated to each other. Chocolate solids contains theobromine... (1), and cocoa solids are substituted to lower costs (2). The implication is that substituted chocolate contains no alkaloids, but it is not called chocolate... It should be clearer how alkaloids are handled nowadays in this Islamic Era particularly since chocolate has changed flavor so much it is evident people consumme it less and less every day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.167.4 (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Health Effects
in Health effects, boost appears to have been misspelled as bust, which changes the meaning. I checked the article cited and I'm quite sure it should be boost not bust. Please fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.24.65.33 (talk) 04:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for the note. Typo fixed. Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The cited article #75 seems to be an article that shows the health effects of plant sterols on cholesterol, and cocoa flavanols on blood pressure, not one that shows cholesterol reduction effects of chocolate. The chocolate bars (without added plant sterols) were administered to the control group as well. The chocolate on its own contained flavanols, which were shown to reduce blood pressure, but it was the plant sterols that led to the reduction of cholesterol levels (at least, that is what they were testing). Suggest clarification of studied effects or replacement of citation with one that actually suggests that chocolate lowers cholesterol levels. 128.83.114.193 (talk) 22:01, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Melting of chocolate
I really don't think the melting of chocolate needs to be a separate article, especially since some of the content seems to be covered in the Chocolate section. The rest of the article could be merged into that section or a new section created. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Support merge --Stfg (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

New History of foods
Is a very serious recent page. Iniatlly, from Spain, but the common History make it interesting for all countries Thanks
 * García Ballesteros, Enrique: Foods From Spain: Chocolate. From Mesoamerica To Modern Master Chocolatiers

Egballes (talk) 13:01, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The link you provided fails to open. www.foodsfromspain.com does open, so this must be an error in the link, not a DNS or internet error. Please could you double-check your link? --Stfg (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2013
Please add a link to Children in cocoa production. Thank you so much. Hillmon7500 (talk) 04:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hillmon7500 (talk) 04:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done - take a look at the "See also" line under Production. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 16:12, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

chocolate
chocolate is made out of cocoa beans.Cocoa pods grow in rain forests and explorers come to find the cocoa pods.When you break a cocoa pod,you see white you can make soap out of it,it's named coca butter if you want to get it.Now as you we are also including the Aztecs

AZTECS Aztecs lived a long time ago.What they did is believed in a different god so they did this:some wanted to die because the believed in a god.They had lots of pyramids and that's where they died:the Aztec king is the one who takes there hearts out and at the end they eat the arms and legs

DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHOCOLATE marvelous creations is where it has lots of sweets in it twirl is where it has normal chocolate inside with two mini bars in one pack Crunchie because it's called Crunchie because it's so crunchy Buttons is chocolate that is shaped into buttons

EXTRAS chocolate is very yummy and most people like mint,mint is my favorite too but back to the facts buisness you can change normal chocolate to mint with a mint recipe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.194.55 (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Typo in "Religious and Cultural Links"
The word Easter in the first sentence is repeated, will users who can please change it? Last Waterbender (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Cocolate and Cocoa
I have recently been hearing of cocoa that is not "heat-treated". On wiki (at Chocolate or here) there is no clarity regarding the process of fermenting, roasting and grinding to a powder for onward processing. However, in this blog for instance there is detail of both commercial, low temperature, and Dutch processing methods for cocoa/chocolate http://nourishmylife.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/raw-cacao-vs-cocoa/ Is there more? Are there products made that do not ferment the coaacoa for example or do not roast it? LookingGlass (talk) 10:16, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Dark chocolate European regulations
I've clicked the link for the European rules [28] and the 35% cocoa solid content is a requirement for a product to be considered chocolate, not dark chocolate. Please remove the statement saying   that according to European regulations, a chocolate with at least 35% cocoa solids is dark (the article is semi-protected). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.102.61.162 (talk) 11:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Massive and Gross Errors
First of all every reference to cocoa solids in the regulations of Chocolate in the article is 100% incorrect. Because ALL regulations define cocoa solids to be BOTH Cocoa Powder and Cocoa Butter, but the first paragraph in this article wrongly defines Cocoa Solid is Cocoa Powder.

Example this sentence "European Union regulations require dark chocolate to have at least 60% cocoa solids, milk chocolate 25%, and white chocolate none" The regulation DEFINES cocoa solids as BOTH cocoa powder and cocoa butter, not just cocoa powder like this article states. The same is true for all such sentence in the article reference regulations. There are other gross errors in the article as well. In fact all of the article about Chocolate on Wikipedia is are full of gross errors.

--98.208.19.245 (talk) 08:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You are invited to edit this article.--Wtshymanski (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Cacao Varieties
I wanted to add a section on the Nacional varietal, which appears to be a relatively newly discovered type. See for example: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/dining/12chocolate.html?_r=0

In light of this, the statement in that section that "criollo is the rarest and most expensive cocoa on the market" is dubious (and isn't in any of the citations nearby). Indeed, one of the citations seems to be to a decrepit blog that just has links to criollo cacao for sale.

71.237.73.75 (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Why is the British pronunciation being given to the exclusion of the American/Canadian pronunciation? It's offensive, especially when one considers that 350-400 million share the pronunciation that's not given compared to fewer than 200 million who share the British one. If the minority (=British) pronunciation must be given, then surely the majority (=American & Canadian) should be given along side it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.87.122.6 (talk) 03:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2014
Caption from image in Manufacturers section needs correcting ==

I seem to have noticed that the image in the "Manufacturers" section is depicting a box of Chocolate Hazelnuts from Sprüngli (not Lindt as incorrectly mentioned). If this could be corrected from:

Lindt chocolates in presentation box for the Switzerland Wiki Loves Monuments Awards Ceremony (2013)

to

Sprüngli chocolates in presentation box for the Switzerland Wiki Loves Monuments Awards Ceremony (2013)

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.59.162.44 (talk) 08:33, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

==

The Nahuatl spelling for chocolate is chokolatl not chocolatl. "Chokol" is "hot " "atl" is water.

Reference:

"... And words such as coyote and chocolate, which have been adopted by both the English and Spanish languages are Nahuatl in their origin (derived from koyotl and chokolatl, respectively). ..."

http://www.tlahui.com/tlahui2/andrea.htm

http://theinnofurak.yuku.com/topic/1099/The-Savran-Language#.VAoDf_ldXh4

Also referenced here on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_(color)

Martin Nathan (talk) 18:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


 * As above, So how did they render their word for "chocolate" in English letters? Is this just a case of different transcriptions of Nahuatl into English letters? --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC) --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:00, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Cannolis (talk) 02:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

proposal chocolate production infographic
I would like to use one infographic made by me about the chocolate production. I think is missing something similar right now and we know that the visual fruition of information supports the learning --131.175.28.132 (talk) 14:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I would like to add this infographic in this page because I think it's important to learn something by using visual information.
 * I don't think this diagram adds enough EV to make it worth the page space it will take up. Everything after "5" on the path, for example, is nonsense or confusing. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Possible sources
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2015
In External Links section, suggest to add the following Directory of Chocolatiers:

http://www.chocolateloverswebguide.com/#!chocolatiers---europe/c24zh

Thanks!

Akiva123 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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Etymology of chocolate
In the article about the the origin of the word "chocolate" Wikepedia mentions: "Pointing to various sources dating from the time of the Spanish conquest, they identify cacahuatl (cacao water) as the original Nahuatl word for the cold beverage consumed by the Aztecs. Noting that using a word with caca in it to describe a thick brown beverage would not have gone over well with most speakers of Spanish because caca means faeces in Spanish, the Coes suggest that the Spanish colonisers combined the Nahuatl atl with the Yucatec Mayan chocol, for, unlike the Aztec, the Maya tended to drink chocolate heated. The Spanish preferred the warm Maya preparation of the beverage to the cold Aztec one, so the colonisers substituted chocol in place of the culturally unacceptable caca."

I have great respect for Dr. Coe but he misses the point as in Mexico we use Nahuatl words that start wit "caca" and never make the connection with feces: Cacahuate - peanut. Cacahuazintle or cacahuacintle is the name of an old heirloom variety of white dent maize originating in Mexico. It is an ingredient of pozole, a traditional hominy. Cacao - which is the pod or seed used to make chocolate.

The word "chocolate" as we know it, was introduced to the Spaniards by the Aztecs. That's the word they used and is now used throughout the world. We still use the word "Cacao" and nobody thinks on feces wit it! ˜˜˜˜ Pablo Patz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablo Patz (talk • contribs) 16:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Episode 601: The Chocolate Curse : Planet Money : NPR
"Homero Castro names this new tree after himself and the city where he lived - Collecion Castro Naranhal, CCN. And then he adds the number 51 because that is how many times it took him to get it right - CCN-51". "CCN-51 tastes like rusty nails - sourness", (Gary Guittard runs Guittard Chocolates) Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 10:02, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

It's happening again
After going out of semi-protection, this time it took a little longer for vandalism to get to the level making the article un-editable. But now it is. I believe it is time for semi-protection to set again. Eldar (talk) 22:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

some chocolate even infused with spicy red chili pepper as shown below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xfY0aLxGy8&feature=youtu.be — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:9C80:4F1:F578:228:D61E:5FE6 (talk) 22:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2015
2601:0:9C80:4F1:F578:228:D61E:5FE6 (talk) 22:32, 14 March 2015 (UTC) some chocolate even infused with spicy chili pepper as shown below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xfY0aLxGy8&feature=youtu.be 02:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Cacao
"Around three quarters of the world's cacao bean production takes place in West Africa."

I may not be right, but doesn't English only use the word "cocoa?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.74.105 (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I think you are right - unless the "cacao" is something different to "cocoa". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

In fact, if you click on "Cacao bean" you get redirected to "cocoa bean". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You're wrong. Cacao is pronounced the same as cocoa but is spelled differently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.116.102 (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC) Who cares? Right either way!Peas345 (talk) 21:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2015
Having just read an article on caffeine on http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/podcast/CIIEcompounds/transcripts/theobromine.asp The idea that caffeine can be found in chocolate is refuted.

'Like most alkaloids, theobromine has a range of effects on the body. You will sometimes see it said that chocolate contains caffeine - it doesn't, but theobromine has some similar effects to caffeine and so is responsible for this urban myth. This isn't exactly surprising, as the two compounds only differ by theobromine having a hydrogen atom where caffeine has a methyl group. So theobromine can reduce sleepiness and in large quantities produces a jittery sensation. On the positive side it is a cough suppressant and can help reduce asthma symptoms.'

Based on this may I ask that the following part of the wikipedia article be amended to at least note that the RSC say that it is THEOBROMINE not CAFFEINE that is found in chocolate.

Below is the original sentence...

Cocoa solids are one of the richest sources of flavanol antioxidants.[3] They also contain alkaloids such as theobromine, phenethylamine and caffeine.[4]

86.14.54.102 (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That link is a podcast by Brian Clegg, a popular science writer, not the Royal Society of Chemistry itself. Stickee (talk) 00:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 15:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2015
Please change "especially dogs and cats." to "including dogs and cats." I don't know, but I seriously doubt that chocolate happens to be the most toxic to household pets compared with all animals, which is what the word "especially" implies. I think "including dogs and cats." will get the message across just fine.

Gregwtmtno (talk) 17:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - I also moved the ref to include that statement since that source supports the full sentence. Thanks! -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Citations-
Editors: I added 2 citations: 1 citation was deleted-could it be readded? The reason was WP:Notajournal, which does not apply to the citation, which is valid. 1 citation was broken-could it be fixed. Thank you, Jcardazzi (talk) 14:48, 8 May 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
 * I provided an explanation about WP:NOTJOURNAL on your Talk page. The reference remaining is not broken but applies the Cite web template, shown here. --Zefr (talk) 15:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Terrible studies and misleading journalism
Article in Io9 about how a terrible study can deliberately use p-hacking to fabricate a result from a small sample size, and how just about every low-quality media outlet will pick the story up. -- Aronzak (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Baking with chocolate.
"Bittersweet chocolate is chocolate liquor to which some sugar (typically a third), more cocoa butter, vanilla, and sometimes lecithin have been added. It has less sugar and more liquor than semisweet chocolate, but the two are interchangeable in baking."

Since there is no source for this, it should specify at the end of the sentence, ...unless a recipe directs otherwise. I've been baking since I was 12 and many recipes Do specify to NOT substitute.

(2001:558:6033:19B:51EE:17B3:222C:3CFC (talk) 22:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC))

Etymology
The etymology of Chocolate is one of the worlds most controversial etymologies - several papers have been written and published by experts about it. The view that it should have come into Nahuatl from Pipil is not one of the most commonly defended hypotheses. Currently most experts seem to agree that Nahuatl chocolatl comes from the word chicolatl which is constructed from chihcol and atl. The relevant publications are: Sampecks suggestion is interesting but not shared by linguists, and she is herself an archeologist not a linguist. Her suggestion can be mentioned, but not given as if it were an accepted fact.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 11:13, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Dakin, K., & Wichmann, S. (2000). Cacao and chocolate. Ancient Mesoamerica, 11(01), 55-75.
 * Kaufman, T., & Justeson, J. (2007). The history of the word for cacao in ancient Mesoamerica. Ancient Mesoamerica, 18(02), 193-237.

Request Edit: Nutrition
Since chocolate produce, it became one of the most famous flavor and food in the world. As it is a popular food, Chocolate can make 74 million each year. However, only three out of a thousand of tropical trees will produce the cacao pods. Most of the people heard that there’s a health benefit of eating dark chocolate, such as chocolate helps to prevent cancer. But Dr. Joseph Su, an NIH expert in diet and cancer says cancer can take many years to develop, it is really hard to define the relationship of eating chocolate can avoid cancer. However, there do still have some health benefits of eating good quality of dark chocolate, such as reduces the risk of blood clot, may lower high blood pressure, and contains a number of minerals, including calcium, magnesium, and potassium. The good quality of dark chocolate include the coc0a that greater than 60 percent, made from cocoa butter instead of adding chemical materials to make chocolate sweet. According to the research, mix milk and chocolate together will make antioxidants unavailable. The best way to absorb antioxidants while drinking milk is to avoid dark chocolate.


 * Disagree. Although the nutrient content per 100 g of different dark chocolates shows several dietary minerals in rich content, an example nutrient table for 60-69% cacao solids from the USDA nutrient database shows chocolate is also high in calories and fat, particularly saturated fat which diminishes its overall nutrient value as a food. I believe the current nutrition discussion is factual and objective, and does not go into the dubious category of WP:PRIMARY to discuss unproven health benefits. Also, please use the signature and timestamp icon for your comments. --Zefr (talk) 18:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2015
Chocolate was made by a young artist from Italy when he found that there where some brown spots in his painting. He came up with the idea when the brown spots became square-like things

Sugarburst12 (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ This request appears to be a joke, and it has no sources to boot. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 22:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2015
Please add this to the history section The first solid chocolate was made in Turin by Doret in 1778. Turin had a big tradition in chocolate production, and was one of the main producers in Europe since the 17th century. Doret invented a machine that chould mix cocoa butter, vanilla and sugar, allowing him to produce the first ever solid chocolate in the form of small chocolates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polloqpiu (talk • contribs) 00:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 23:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Online sources: http://www.browsingitaly.com/piedmont/turin-chocolate-heaven/2641/ http://www.thechocolateway.eu/introduzione-storica/the-chocolate-an-european-invention/ http://www.italylink.com/travel/torino.html Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffarel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polloqpiu (talk • contribs) 01:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Nutrition table -- why milk chocolate and not pure chocolate?
It seems kind of silly for the Nutrition section to have a table with the properties of "milk chocolate/candies" instead of baking chocolate, since that (for example) over-represents sugars and under-represents caffeine. If someone is wondering about their 50% chocolate, they can do the math. I'm inclined to update it with the USDA entry on baking chocolate, or perhaps someone else would like to. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 02:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Milk chocolate may have been selected as the most commonly consumed retail chocolate. Should also consider dark chocolate with highest cacao content, 70-85% solids. --Zefr (talk) 03:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2016
Please add the following to the article on Chocolate in the section "Popular Culture" under the subsection "Religious and cultural links:"

"A 2015 study conducted at Simon Fraser University found that the most number of Instagram posts about chocolate occur on globally on Easter, with an increase of 30% when compared to Valentines Day, for the one year period between October 2014 and October 2015."

Saifcharaniya (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * No, that is unnecessary trivia and spam; WP:IINFO. --Zefr (talk) 19:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest to improve by updating the section 4.1 on cacao varieties. Up to 2008, the three varieties were major (Criollo, Forastero, Trinitario). But since 2008, there is a new classification, please check on the french wiki : La nouvelle classification de 2008, basée sur des critères morpho-géographiques et génomiques propose dix groupes retenus et nommés en fonction de leur origine géographique ou du nom du cultivar traditionnel : Amelonado, Cacao Criollo, Nacional, Contamana, Curaray, Cacao guiana, Iquitos, Marañon, Nanay, Purús5; Et la Le Cupuaçu espèce proche. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A8ve_de_cacao

Thanks for your attention Britta Boutry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.10.162.136 (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2016
Please Change:(Ideal storage temperatures are between 15 and 17 C, with a relative humidity of less than 50%. to Ideal storage temperatures are between 18C and 21C), with a relative humidity between 55 and 65%. This is based on my 10 years working with chocolates in different types and different climates. Also if you look at other sites you will find that many agree to the numbers I mentioned.

Osammak (talk) 00:27, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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Chocolate commercial footage
Here's some amazing chocolate footage, if you can figure out what to do with it  czar  22:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2016
ADD under types NACIONAL Country PERU, citing the discovery by Maranon Chocolate. Thought to be extinct for 100 years. USDA confirms with DNA testing.

DanielPeterMacNeil (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC) More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2016
Rmarkhurvitz (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC) I wish to add a text to the Further Reading section of this page:

Prinz, Deborah R. (2013), On the Chocolate Trail: A Delicious Adventure Connecting Jews, Religions, History, Travel, Rituals and Recipes to the Magic of Cacao. (Jewish Lights). 978-1580234870
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Dark chocolate
Could editors from this page come to the currently 92 word long article on dark chocolate? A lot of information from here could be used there. JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 04:58, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Cultural bias ?
"Often vanilla flavored" ? really, I never heard of that. Isn't that some american thing ? 61.193.162.65 (talk) 06:36, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Vanilla is added to chocolates worldwide, but "often" is an exaggeration. It looks like someone has already removed that phrase.  Deli nk (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * My experience (reading the package labels so this is OR) is that even "unflavoured" chocolates are almost always flavoured with vanilla. Eldar (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Pharmacology
How about splitting off the mentions of theobromine and similar to a section called pharmacology? Chocolate has deliciously complex pharmacology and I think it should be explored on Wikipedia. I'll probably start writing it and split off nutrition and research into nutrition, pharmacology, and research. I added some brief sentences adding mention of amantadine and some similar molecules, citing it to the Nature paper where that connection was discovered. I suspect there are many secondary sources that mention this by now, but Nature has a nice cachet. Kevin143 (talk) 05:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Kevin143: On hopping back and forth between the pharmacology / nutrition / [similar] sections on the pages for chocolate, tea, coffee, and turkey, as well as those of theobromine, tryptophan, and theanine, I found it odd that the tryptophan page mentions its' being high in chocolate, but the chocolate page makes no mention of tryptophan. I should prefer to leave this edit in more experienced hands for this topic, if I may. --F4ll3n Carytid (talk) 19:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

"High" is a relative term. It's higher than milk in unsweetened baking chocolate but lower than all meats and tied with white wheat flour. According to the reference cited for the statistics there, cocoa powder is 0.3% (compared to 0.13% for the baking chocolate mentioned above), so that starts getting interesting. Pouletic (talk) 01:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Etymology
While the American Heritage Dictionary is a good dictionary I do not consider it authoritative. For American (United States) English it is Webster's Unabridged and for all English users the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is considered the standard. Why can I not add a new subject from the normal logged in page? I will add this and then login to say that I am the one that made this statement. THere has to be an easier way but I couldn't find it with only Edit buttons available after you have logged in. hhhobbit (talk) 06:53, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither of these are authoritative for etyomologies from Native American languages. There is a large specialist literature about the etymology of this word, that is the literature we should use.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I edited the etymology section where several problematic claims from the earlier literature were repeated. If Campbell said that chocolatl does not occur in early colonial Nahuatl then he was wrong, but I suspect that what he said was that the word xocolatl did not appear in early colonial sources - because it doesn't (which is why it makes no sense including this common, but erroneous etymology which does not even respect the rules for Nahuatl wordformation). Coe's proposal mixing Maya and Nahuatl is not a considered a serious contender among recent specialists (neither by Dakin & Wichmann or Kaufman & Justeson). Kaufman & Justeson accepts the proposal of chicolatl - although they don't accept Dakin and Wichmann's proposed derivation of that word. Hence, "chocolatl" from a previous "chicolatl" should be the only etymology included.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:51, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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