Talk:Choi Yong-sool

Name in hanja
I believe his name is on this certificate written in hanja. But I need somebody who is much better at reading hanja to confirm this and to type it on a computer. | Picture Kbarends (talk) 17:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Successor
I'd like to see some sort of reference to support the claim that Kim Yun Sang is the official successor to the title doju and was granted this by Choi Yong Sul.

It is not that I wish to promote an alternative idea but rather that I have heard similiar things said of Chang Chinil and Lim Hyun Soo and others so it would be nice to see something that fleshes out this assertion a bit.--Mateo2006 01:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The Correct version was in Korean new papper and TV its was Chang Chinil that was getting the title Doju from Choi Yong Sul. And Choi thort that he woulde be able to united Hapkido.But he didnet and no i dont even think he is active any more.He was allso the Nr 1: 9-Dan from Choi.Lim Hyun Soo is Nr 2 and i think Kim Yun Sang is Nr 3 and that is all.

Request for Further Support for Claims

I'm wondering if you know of anyone who has a copy of the this newspaper article or at least newspaper name and date. That would be of great help. There are some people who at the moment are asserting that Chang Chinil was designated only as the head of the system for the United States, which was not what I understood at that time either. It is also my understanding that Master Chang closed up the hapkido practise he had long run out of a dance studio in New York city several years ago and did not reopen a dojang, much the same as you have asserted here.

As for the numbers on the 9th dans, those numbers seem a little too convenient. No one from the distant past, no one deceased, no one little known. Lim claims that the only 9th dans that he knows of are himself and Chang Chinil (Jang Jin Il) for example. While Kim Yun Sang's certificate is dated 1984 and seems to have the support of at least some members of Choi's family. Life is rarely simple :). Thanks for your input here. --Mateo2006 12:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Grandmaster Chang continues to teach in Manhattan (as of Feb 2013 and I have witnessed personally the classes in session over the last few years) with a small private group that has been with him for a long time as I updated the wikipedia successor section. His decision to do this after decades of commercial teaching was to focus on those who were serious and totally dedicated to hapkido. This is a path some Grandmasters take to preserve their art with the same integrity and purpose that it was taught to them. I have seen all the certificates and documents to support the update of the information on him and have provided exact dates from the certificates themselves. Grandmaster Chang holds the only tenth dan certificate and all the high level certificates are in order and uniform. His Doju or grandmaster scroll and certificate designate him as the heir of hapkido for the world and the successor of Dojunim Choi. People confuse the original appointment when Dojunim Choi promoted him to be the head of the United States first when he came to America then in 1985 Dojunim Choi promoted him to the heir of hapkido and the second direct lineage grandmaster in Korea. It was a clear progression over time. There are also additional certificates of appointment that are clear and progressive that show a large body of time starting in 1970 that are in addition to all the other dan and doju/grandmaster promotions that demonstrate very clearly Grandmaster Chang's growing power and authority and a clear path to him assuming the role as grandmaster. He was clearly being groomed for the role he would assume very early on. Grandmaster Chang also has all the newspaper and videos of the appointment from TV that i have seen as well. blackdiamondcobra 9:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Lim As Successor
I know of Master Lim's rank etc but has he ever directly claimed to be Choi's official successor? He doesn't speak to the subject in the interviews that I've read with him. If not perhaps we shouldn't be doubling up his information from the 'important students' section and the 'successor' section. Any feelings on this out there?--Mateo2006 21:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Students of Choi Section
The placement of the names in this section is reserved in the first case for people known to have had Choi as their primary teacher and have certification from Choi supporting this. Most of these teachers were people who were born and raised in Taegu and who had significant access to Choi.

The placement of the second section are students who indicate Choi as their teacher and may have learned from him in seminars in seoul or by travelling to Taegu for short periods of training but who started their training under students of Choi who were based in Seoul, for the most part under Master Ji Han Jae. Students who fit into this criteria would be people like Masters Han, Myung Kwang-Sik, Kim Yong-Jin etc. Choi's top student was always GM Kim Yeong Jae. GM Kim one of the first to receive 6th Dan from Choi. He was also the primary teacher of Lim Hyun soo and GM Chae Hung Jun who also received an 8th Dan from Choi Yong Sul.

Please see these links:

http://www.wmdhapkido.com/school_hist.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.29.240.76 (talk) 19:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Yoo Byung Don (Han Kuk Jeong Dong Hapkido, Orthodox Hapkido)
Can someone give us some more information on this teacher added to the list of direct students of Choi? I've never heard of him before.--Mateo2006 18:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I posted some info about him in talk:Hapkido Kbarends (talk) 17:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Relation with Kotaro Yoshida (吉田幸太郎), a leading pupil of Sokaku Takeda
Here is a letter from Richard Kim to a Japanese resercher. http://www.toshima.ne.jp/~fukuoka3/hapkido/hapkido3.htm

dated November 26, 1984:

The founder of Hapkido, Mr. Choi -- Japanese name Yoshida, is not related to Yoshida Kotaro, Samurai extraordinary.

Mr. Choi was a student of Yoshida Kotaro. In fact he was an excellent student. You must realise that before Japan surrendered in August 15, 1945, all Koreans had Japanese citizenship and names.

Mr. Choi returned to Korea and taught Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu. He named it Hapkido which in Japanese is Aikido. Since his time Hapkido has become modified with a distinct Korean flavour. It is an excellent art.

I would that the thrust and direction of Hapkido where it is different from what originally Mr. Choi had taught is in a number of sophisticated kicks which is unique to the Korean style of fighting. Probably, according to some, it may have improved the art for modern day consumption. That would be a matter of debate.

You are learning a good art. Stay with it and practice until perfection.

Sincerely,

Richard Kim, Hanshi

Master Kwon Tae-Man
When I interviewed Master Kwon in the Spring of this year he stated point blank that he started under Master Ji in Andong and that he hadn't studied under Master Choi.

He also stated this in interview published with Tedeshi in his book "Hapkido".

His connection to Choi is only through lineage not as a direct student so he shouldn't really be included on the list.--Mateo2006 10:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Mike Wollmershauser
I added Master Mike to the second list. He only trained under Choi Yong Sul for a few months (having mostly learned under Lim Hyun-Soo) but AFAIK he's the only westerner who can claim that. Reference. --Symmetry (talk) 13:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Uma duvida porque não tem nenhuma foto do Grão Mestre Choi?
Estou em duvida, treino Hapkido a alguns anos e agora ao visitar um site pelo facebook notei que ao invés de ter uma foto do Grão Mestre Choi esta uma foto de Sokaku Takeda que na realidade era samurai de uma linhagem muito antiga e respeitada. Caso não tenham em nossos arquivos aqui possuo algumas, posso enviar. Aguardo para poder auxiliar no que for preciso em reconhecimento a esta grande Arte que se chama Hapkido e que o mundo moderno precisa conhecer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Fabres (talk • contribs) 17:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Successor Section
The section is a word for word copy of a section in the Hapkido. It should be in one or the other, not both, especially in the current unreferenced form. The section reads heavily like a justification which in its unreferenced state would be called POV. Why does Chinil Chang not have his own article? I removed it from this article because it was so out of place but a re-write or at least a trimming would also work.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:24, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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