Talk:Choker

I don't think the referece to BDSM should be included in a synopsis of Chokers. It seems rather off the point and unnecessary.

I totally agree
I was going to mention/ask/suggest that. It does not apply to this. I think an average person whom wears a choker (mostly females) isn't symbolizing bondage/BDSM, whatever. It could be erotic, but there can be other reasons why and it doesn't have to do with the collar thing. There isn't any sources backing this up that chokers have connections to BDSM on this page. If there is, please put it on another article. It is a kind of necklace, so let it be!!! There should not be anything else to say about it because it's illrelevant! Well it's my POV, but if there isn't more discussion, I will be happy to remove it. Steven312 17:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree as well, and more, the collar/choker distinction is only significant in the BDSM community - see Collar (jewelry). Remove away, Steven! PKM 18:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I removed the BDSM reference completly. Steven312 23:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Choker video
I posted this to the external links section. says that it does not meet Wikipedia's quality standard for an external link for this topic.


 * The History Of Chokers, a 10-minute video by Safiya Nygaard

I thought I would post here in case anyone wanted to explore more. The video description includes a list of sources which anyone might mine for content.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  17:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Unclear definition / varies with source
I feel the definition of what is a "choker" can be a bit confusing, depending on where you look. Many sites uses the same definition as illustrated here, that a choker is a necklace that's as tight as practically possible, sitting high on the neck. On other sites they call the tightest necklaces "collars" while chokers are a tad longer, sitting snugly around the base of the neck (and further extends this to "princess" - a typical standard-length necklace sitting a few cm below the neck, "matinee" - a necklace just above nipple height, and "opera" - a long necklace reaching down to the stomach) - see also Pearl. Or does the definition depend on whether the necklace rests flat against the chest or the vertical part of the neck?

The backlash on men wearing chokers
I'm not sure this is noteworthy, it was a bizarre affair I stumbled across several years after the fact. It seems to have started in fall 2016, when several fashion shows (particularly a Louis Vuitton one) featured men wearing various chokers and collars. It's of course nothing new that designers often uses odd or interesting accessories to draw attention away from the fact that the clothes themselves are actually rather ordinary, but this time several brands (like Asos) took their words as face value and started introducing chokers for men.

This lead to a seemingly-coordinated backlash in January 2017, starting with some random Twitter posts leading to Esquire posting the article "Sir, Please Step Away from the Choker Necklace" *1 on Jan 3rd - according to them, men wearing dresses and high heels are perfectly fine, but chokers are still a no-no. On Jan 4th Matt Lauer on "The Today Show" jokingly pretended he's been wearing chokers for several years *2, and GQ immediately followed up with "Stop Men’s Choker Necklaces Before They Start". *3

After that pretty much every fashion magazine and website on the planet joined in on the carnage - just google "chokers for men" and you'll find page after page about the subject, pretty much all of them describing it as "the worst trend ever" (despite how it was systematically killed off long before it even became a trend) and most citing GQ's "clever" remark that "us guys have had our version of a choker necklace forever, and it's called a necktie".

The whole stink is pretty well described in "The backlash against men wearing chokers is sexist, ahistorical nonsense" *4 - as said I don't know if it deserves mention in the article but I feel the whole affair says something about the level of groupthink that exists in the fashion industry/press.


 * 1 - https://www.esquire.com/style/news/a52005/mens-choker-necklaces-please-no/
 * 2 - https://people.com/style/matt-lauer-choker/
 * 3 - https://www.gq.com/story/mens-chokers-trend-no-please
 * 4 - https://splinternews.com/the-backlash-against-men-wearing-chokers-is-sexist-ahi-1793857999

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BDSM
The article clear shows it but almost in a unclear manner. 108.49.182.150 (talk) 03:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)