Talk:Chondrus crispus

Merge with carrageenan
It was suggested that the Chondrus page should be merged with the carrageenan page. I disagree, the major sources of carrageenan are tropical seaweeds of the genera Kappaphycus and Eucheuma and not Chondrus thus the two topics should stay separate.Chondrus (talk) 13:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. They are not synonymous subjects.  No other comments since insertion, so I'll pull the merge tag. ENeville (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Question
I was very surprised to find this wikipedia entry for "Irish moss" because as a gardener, I have only seen this used as the common name for sagina subulata, also called 'Pearlwort', 'Heath Pearlwort', or even 'corsican pearlwort'. I had no idea it referred to a seaweed... I'm not experienced enough at editing to know whether this should be mentioned here, or if we need to introduce a disambiguation page. And I'm sure I don't know the easiest way to insert a disambiguation page! There is no page for Sagina or Sagina Subulata yet either... Spike0xFF 20:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Pffft. Definitely needs a disambiguation page - Irish moss is also a well-known 'stitch' or knitting pattern. Spike0xFF 20:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Irish moss is now a disambiguation page, and Sagina subulata has been created. ENeville (talk) 01:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this entry should stand on its own. Irish Moss, Chondrus crispus, has an interesting cultural history on coastal New England, at least; possibly the Canadian Maritime provinces, too. I suggest adding this link to a museum near Cape Cod. As the name, The Maritime and Irish Mossing museum, indicates, part of it is dedicated to the vocation of "Irish mossing": gathering Irish moss. http://www.scituatehistoricalsociety.org/sites_maritime.html My grandmother, who grew up in rural New Hampshire, would in her later years (at least) make a milk pudding thickened with Irish Moss--i.e., carrageenan. My mother, her daughter-in-law, remembers her buying packets of the moss from S.S. Pierce--a specialty foods chain in the Boston area that closed decades ago. If it was very popular, it might have been shipped inland to the Nashua, NH area when she was growing up, but we don't know. I judge from the entry here that she enjoyed the pudding because of Scots heritage. Or perhaps she just felt and obligation to eat it. When I heard about this culinary novelty as a girl, I had to try to make some myself. As the entry says, it does definitely impart a seawater taste to the milk. It's something you might look forward to if you had nothing else to eat--for several days. Otherwise, interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.147.20 (talk) 02:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Question
Should Irish moss be in Category:Sea vegetables? Is it eaten directly? &mdash; Pekinensis 01:23, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure. No it is not eaten directly - only an extract is consumed (I think) or used somehow. How do you determine and sort out these "Categories" please? I'm new to this point.--Osborne 09:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a question about whether Dulse (the english word for Irish Moss seaweed, also known in Ireland as dillisk). While I was in the Galway region of Ireland, Dulse WAS eaten directly. You could buy bags of it, and we often had it steamed on top of a boiled dinner - delicious and full of nutrients. Also, it can be eaten just picked... very good. 66.74.93.104 (talk) 22:43, 3 January 2010 (UTC) 66.74.93.104 (talk) 22:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Distribution
Distribution to be written up - when time! part of the first chapter can be moved. Osborne 16:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC) How's that? AlgaeBase gives more countries - but I don't think it is the same speces. Osborne 15:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC) It is not found in the Pacific ref and is not included in Abbott & Hollenberg's Marine Algae of California. Of course California does not have all species found in the Pacific.Osborne 09:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

According to M.Guiry in Algaebase it is recorded from Pacific America as Iridaea heterocarpa - however that species in Abbott and Hollenberg looks nothing like the alga I know as Chrondus crispus!Osborne 10:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC). 

M.Guiry agrees, The Iridaea referred to is another species:- "The type from Kamchatka was sequenced by the authors. The Iridaea illustrated by Abbott & Hollenberg is another species." I doubt the other records including Oregon also. Will have to research Alaska. Chondrus crispus is not noted in the only Japanese books I have (see Algaebase).Osborne 11:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

What are the adaptations
Insert non-formatted text here What are adaptations of Irish Moss to its surroundings? How it eats would be nice.

Osborne 23:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)==Common Names or Botaical names== I think the algae should all be detailed under their Botanical name, as others are. They should also be cross referenced with their common name. If this is agreed then this page should be renamed "Chondrus crispus". However further - most algae are noted under their generic name, perhaps this spcies should be too. I am too cautious to make such changes. Any help????Osborne 10:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC). Example: Mastocarpus stellatus is entioned under the botanical name. There may be other examples!!{helpme}Osborne 10:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC) "Dabberlocks" (common name) and "Alaria esculenta" (botanical name) are listed separately. "Alaria" is a genus and is an article itself. Same problem. Osborne 11:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Further. As a botanist I know many algae, not to mention mosses, liverworts etc do not have common names, the botanical name should be used. All those written under common names should be amalgamated, or at least cross-referened. The botanical write-up should be the primary one! According to one reference all the British Isles grasses have a "common" names - but I bet these are rarely used or known! There are also Rushes and Sedges. Of course there are the foreign grasses also. Advice please.Osborne 15:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I have now moved it to Chondrus crispus.Osborne 20:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, but why "Stackhouse" in the article title? am I missing something, or should it just be "Chondrus crispus"? --Storkk 11:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

"Stackhouse" is a part of the name! - it is the guy who proposed the name, the "authority" and in biolgical nomenclature the authority is associated with the name. The authority is not shown in italics however.Osborne 23:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Someone else moved the page, but I removed Stackhouse from the first line of the article. See Canis Lupus, it's not "Canis Lupus Linnaeus". Scientific taxonomies, AFAIK are almost never given with their namer's names. I think the sidebar, like for wolf, is where that belongs. Let me know if you disagree. Cheers!--Storkk 16:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Alga or Plant?
Algae and plants are two entirely different classifications. This article can't seem to make up its mind what this particular organism is. To call an alga a plant is like calling a bacteria an animal. Not even the same kingdom. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can fix this article and place this organism in the single kingdom to which it belongs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.6.15 (talk) 02:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Sometimes all Archaeplastids are called "plants" since they're a monophyletic clade that includes all land plants plus green and red algae. But "algae" is a less confusing common name for anything that isn't a land plant. ~ 2601:441:4400:1740:1D33:FFF4:F547:101B (talk) 00:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Toothpaste
I note that "Oral-B" toothpaste contains "Chondrus Crispus" (capital 'C') - should/could this be included?Osborne 19:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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