Talk:Chorus Paulinus

WP:DYK
Due by January 21. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 03:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you already submitted candidate DYKs for Chopa? --- Tito Pao 22:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not yet...still waiting for inspiration to form one...Gusto mo ikaw na? ibigay ko na sa yo! oks?--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 23:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok, akala ko kasi nakalimutan mo lang or something. I'll come up with something for this one ASAP :) --- Tito Pao 02:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK Submission
Did you know
 * ...that the Chorus Paulinus is a church-based choir in the Philippines whose a cappella renditions of popular songs are widely performed in the Philippines? --- Tito Pao 18:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sources provided are for tangential facts, not for the sweeping claims to notability made in the intro and in this hook. Probably notable enough to be kept, but would constitute undue promotion to feature them on the main page without sources for the claim made in the hook. Savidan 18:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Notable songs
This section is not really encyclopedic - listing individual pieces or performances thereof is excessive and somewhat trivial and mars what could be a fine article - the article should be from a neutral point of view, not from the point of view of a fan or member of the group.-<span style="color:Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 03:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, the same goes for the extensive list of every performance the choir has ever given. When other readers and editors see sections like this, they may automatically think this is a vanity page and not take the article seriously.  -<span style="color:Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 03:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the comment/s. Do you think it best to transfer the list/s to a separate List of notable songs of the Chorus Paulinus page ? Please give me some feedback.  Thank you. --Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 04:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, to be honest with you I don't think that stuff needs to be on wikipedia at all. Wikipedia is a place for the major, salient facts, providing a good overview, not a collection of everything related to the subject - thats why organizations like choirs have their own websites!  Also, the list of concerts is, while excessive, at least patently factual; but the list of "notable" songs is not; who says they're notable?  Why list them specifically and not every song the choir has ever performed?  Is there a third party source to confirm the notability?  Probably not.  This is what I mean by writing from the point of view of a fan or member.  -<span style="color:Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 04:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I beg to disagree with you on this. Yes, there is a third party involved in this article. I, and Wikipedia admin User:Zscout370 are actually collaborating with the founder and members of Chorus Paulinus on this article. I am not a fan writing this article nor am I a member of Chorus Paulinus.  I am just a Filipino who believe in the notability of this church based-choir.   You can confirm my statement here with User:Zscout370 because he has copies of the email exchanges and permissions sent, and with the founder, Fr. Arnold Zamora at his email address: arnold_zamora@yahoo.com.  If you click on the sample songs as well as the images,  he has been gracious as to release the copyrights of his songs to public domain.  Also, in the history, you will see the editors of the article.  Several of them are member of Chorus Paulinus.  I appreciate your comments. But please confirm your facts first before you issue or write base-less comments or statements. --Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 04:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I may have been unclear in my comment. I did not mean to say that the article was written entirely by fans or members.  However, the article is written from the point of view of a fan or member.  I am also not disagreeing with the notability of the choir or its founder.  What I am saying is that a list of "notable songs" begs the question of who deemed them notable - did a third party source (not a third person) identify them as notable?  Like, is there an article in a major Filipino newspaper that identifies these songs as being notable?  Otherwise, it reads as though it were written by a member or fan, because who else would have the wherewithal to compile such a list, if it's not located in a third-party source? --<span style="color:Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 05:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A good example: one of the songs on that list says that it is Zamora's most popular arrangement and has since been performed by choirs all over the world. What is the source for that statement?  Is it an email from Zamora himself?  Or is it a third party source, like the music's publisher?  Statements like that are problematic and appear to be vanity even if they are not intended as such.  The entire list is problematic in the same way.-<span style="color:Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 05:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to give you some context for my opinion, I am a musician who has sung with a lot of famous and not so famous choirs in the United States. I have been working a lot on a number of articles about choirs in order to make them as neutral and encyclopedic as possible, with lots of citations and sources and an absolute minimum of vanity language (like "Choir X is famous for Y song" or "Choir X gave a great performance of Z" and so on) and a minimum of stuff that is meant to boost the choir's reputation rather than give a neutral overview of the group. I want to see all of these articles written neutrally and encyclopedically so that other users and editors will take them seriously.-<span style="color:Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 05:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I got what you are saying and where you are coming from. I do appreciate your points. Give me time to reflect on your statements, discuss your comment/s with Fr. Arnold Zamora and the members of Chorus Paulinus, as well as the Filipino Wikipedia community in Tambayan Philippines  and get back to you with more information on the matter.  For the meantime, feel free to check on both the articles Chorus Paulinus and Arnold Zamora and let us know your comment/s further.  Like you,  I too would like to make sure that both articles follow Wikipedia policies, especially on WP:NPOV etc.--Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 05:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * transferred from User talk:Pinay06 for context. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 01:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

SPECIFIC INFO NEEDS

 * Founding members - Original members
 * Organizational structure —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pinay06 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
 * SEC - registration and date; members or leadership upon submission to SEC;  type: non stock, non profit?  - pls specify
 * current assets, if any, etc...--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 01:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Three cheers for Chorus Paulinus
We caught a genuinely wonderful vocal concerto recently which featured the promising chorale Chorus Paulinus. Divided into two parts, the group fist enthralled us with their international repertoire which showcased their vast vocal range highlighted by an interesting musical texture.

With conductor Fr. Arnold Zamora and choirmaster Fred de Santos calling the shots, the singers started off playful with the Latin American Duerme Negrito then shifted to serious with an American folk song Shenandoah. There was an interesting reggae spot called Marry a Woman Uglier Than You which got thunderous applause.

Prof. Ryan Cayabyab and Cocoy Laurel performed as special guests, with the latter doing his numbers in Spanish. The choral group paid tribute to Caybyab by singing the maestro's wonderful compositions Anima Christi, Aba Po Santa Maria Reyna and Iniibig Kita.

The members of Chorus Paulinus are currently on a US concert tour.

By Mary Ann A. Bautista and Ricky T. Gallardo From: Philippine Inquirer  Saturday Special  May 6, 2000. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pinay06 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Specific album information could be made into separate articles
One for each album. Just a suggestion. --BrokenSphere 00:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are already specific pages for each album...on-going, but we are getting there. --Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 00:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Refer here:

--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 00:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking it might be better to link to those instead of having them reppear in other articles, like Chopa. --BrokenSphere 00:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please expound further. Thanks. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 02:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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