Talk:Chrétien DuBois

Combine with other article?
Since so little seems to be known about Chretien, and he appears to be mostly of interest to those descended from his immigrant children, I am not sure he merits an article in Wikipedia. I would suggest this information could all be folded into the article on Louis DuBois.11 Arlington (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Notability
Although Chretien DuBois himself was not an American settler, he is notable as the key European connection to an extensive tree of hundreds of DuBois descendants in the United States. This is exemplified by the existence of the DuBois Family Association and is well documented in the publication The American Descendants of Chretien DuBois. .Tvbanfield (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC) Regarding the proposed insertion, all of the information is already contained, somewhat more concisely, in the article, except for the assertion that there was "careful destruction of birth and marriage records of Protestants in 17th century France."

Relevant records did exist at Wicres as late as 1875, but were faded and difficult to read -- hardly surprising given their age. In the [Bi-centenary reunion of the descendants of Louis and Jacques Du Bois (emigrants to America, 1660 and 1675), at New Paltz, New York, 1875] is stated: "The records of [Wicres] have been examined, and I regret to say that, from age and bad ink and mutilation, the register is almost illegible.

"The baptismal record shows that Chretien DuBois had three children baptized at Wicres. The dates made out are the 18th June, 1622, the 13th November, 1625, and the 21st October, 1626. The names are illegible, and seem to have been intentionally obliterated. These researches were made by archivists under the direction of the consul for the United States at Lille, Mons. C. DuBois Gregoire. In his letter of 15th July, 1875, he writes that he had visited the canton of La Bassee several times, where there are very old records, but could make nothing out, as, where the Christian names occurred, the paper was torn or cut out. He further states that the registers in the village of Wicres were also in many places illegible from age, bad ink, and from being torn and worm-eaten."

The Family History Library has not microfilmed parish records for Wicres that early, but that does not mean the registers do not still exist, possibly in an archive in France or Belgium. Furthermore, no one seems to have done a search of notarial records for the area, or of municipal records in Lille, or done a thorough review of the d'Hozier manuscripts in Paris for leads. Worth a (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Follow up on Du Bois destruction of records:

With regard to the destruction of Protestant records, the birth records of the children of Chretien Du Bois would not have to have been destroyed. The objective was to prevent Protestants from claiming nobility, which required the establishment of ancestry of titled nobles. Therefore, the records relating to the parents and spouse of Chretien Du Bois would have to have been destroyed. With that accomplished, the Huguenot descendants of Chretien could not claim nobility.

As for a thorough review of the d'Hozier manuscripts in Paris, I have done that. While living there in the period 1999-2004, I spent many days at the Bibliothèque nationale de France [both the Richlieu and the Mitterrand sites] on this quest, carefully handling centuries old documents and reading the hand writings in ancient French pertaining to and linking to the name du Bois. Many of the documents were notarial in nature. While I had success disproving some of the published Du Bois ancestor theories, I found nothing to establish the parents of Chretien Du Bois. My conclusion was that he certainly did have noble ancestors, but that the record destruction under the regeim of Louis XIV was very carefully achieved.--Tvbanfield (talk) 20:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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