Talk:Chris Jericho/Archive 1

=2006=

Stats
Jericho is more like 5 ft 10 in rathee than 6 ft 0 in.(Halbared 16:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

CWA as in Canadian Wrestling Alliance, or Continental Wrestling Alliance? And as for the WWA link, you might want to link to the full federation name...


 * A lot of that was ambiguous because I simply didn't know. I've done some more digging and I think I've fixed it all. It has room for a lot more detail but I don't want to just do pro-wrestling (it doesn't reflect well!) -- rparle 04:11, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)


 * Changed Moongoose to Mongoose. Simple spelling mistake. --Fergdude33 16:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, if you have the Jericho VHS the WWF released, he is called MOONgoose, as in the object orbiting Earth and the bird.

Should be moved
This article should be moved to Christopher Irvine. I would hardly expect to find Patrick Stewart under Jean-Luc Picard Duke toaster 19:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC).
 * Nope. There's a naming controversy regarding professional wrestlers, but the analogy is flawed. Unlike in other media, professional wrestlers regularly use their stage names outside of wrestling events, as is the case with Chris Jericho. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a world of difference between Star Trek and wrestling. Anyone with a brain can tell you that it's flat out disrespectful to refer to wrestlers by their real names if they go by a ring name.  So, no, it should stay right here. 65.189.210.173 19:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, you only really talk about a wrestler's real name if there has been some sort of controversy over naming (such as Jason Reso as Christian or Christian Cage), or if they have been multiple names over their career (such as Adam Copeland (Edge) before he came to the WWE). Jericho has been some incarnation of Jericho since almost the time that he started wrestling.  Furthermore, they don't interview him on TV as Chris Irvine.Shrekums 00:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

While I generally agree that wrestlers' articles should be at their real names, there's not nearly the difference between, say, Mark Calaway and The Undertaker (that move was just silly) that there is between Chris Irvine and Chris Jericho. Even someone like Konnan has been regularly using that name outside wrestling (i.e. recent TV news show interviews). 69.7.37.69 09:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Born Again?
I don't think Jericho is a born again Christian. He was always a Christian as his Dad mention in an interview once that Chris was always very serious about his religion.

(the above was unsigned)

I've seen other Christian wrestlers refer to Jericho as a Christian and a born-again Christian, but I can't remember if I've seen Jericho himself call himself a born-again Christian. It's a gray area at best. Bcarlson33 02:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Born again Christian is the same as Christian.--66.146.59.114 21:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * not really. yes, they do practice the same faith, but being a born again Christian is saying that the person didn't always practice Christianity. I think the question of his religion was if he was raised Christian or if he found Jesus as an adult. I really don't know either way, the only things I've read that he wrote (about his religion) was in the Q&A section of www.chrisjericho.com it said -

(Q)"I heard from someone you're a practising Christian. Is that true?

(A)I do the best that I can.

CJ" " and (Q)"I wanted to ask you if you believe in guardian angels?

-Charlene

(A)I believe in Jesus and he's my guardian angel, so yes I do.

CJ"

this really only proves that he is a Christian now, whether he is born again, I dont know Katie 23:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, that is incorrect. Stating that one is a "born-again" Christian does not imply that they were not always a Christian. For example, current US President George Walker Bush states that he is a born-again Christian, yet he has been a Christian for the vast majority of his life. Born-again implies some.... epiphany of faith, so to speak. -Darryl Hamlin 05:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Born again simply means they have had a baptism. You can be a Christian all your life and when you are baptised you are "born again". Simple as that. The idea being that when you go under the water your old self dies and you are born again. You don't have to have an epiphany.


 * Right, it does not mean that a person was a Christian, stopped, and became a Christian again.
 * While Catholics believe so, for other denominations, it doesn't even require baptism. Being born again is a simple confirmation of one's Christianity.  It is believed that every person is born as a sinner; to be saved, one must be born again - becoming a "new creation" by acknowledging faith in God and expressing a resolve to live a Christian life (thus departing from the former life of sin).  In John 3, Jesus outlines this idea:  "Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again."
 * Back to the original question - the interview confirms that Jericho is a Christian. (As explained, the term "born again Christian" is redundant).  - Slow Graffiti 08:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Little late, but there's a lot of people that claim to be Christian, mainly because that's how they've been raised. Being a born-again Christian means that you have accepted Christ as your savior, and that you're not just going through the motions. I personally have only heard of Protestants referring to themselves as born-again Christians, as I think a way to differentiate from Catholics, as that's pretty much what the rest of the world thinks of when they think of Christians. Just wanted to clear that up. As for what to put in the article, if there's a quote where he says he's a born-again Christian, I would just put the quote in; if not, then just Christian would be acceptable. Anakinjmt (talk) 03:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Back to the original question - the interview confirms that Jericho is a Christian. (As explained, the term "born again Christian" is redundant).  - Slow Graffiti 08:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Little late, but there's a lot of people that claim to be Christian, mainly because that's how they've been raised. Being a born-again Christian means that you have accepted Christ as your savior, and that you're not just going through the motions. I personally have only heard of Protestants referring to themselves as born-again Christians, as I think a way to differentiate from Catholics, as that's pretty much what the rest of the world thinks of when they think of Christians. Just wanted to clear that up. As for what to put in the article, if there's a quote where he says he's a born-again Christian, I would just put the quote in; if not, then just Christian would be acceptable. Anakinjmt (talk) 03:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Jericho's 18 minute reign
Look, I'm not trying to get some sort od debate started, but since the WWE doesn't recognize Jericho as the champion after his win over Triple H, then it shouldn't be listed. I know that it doesn't make a whole lotta sense, particularly considering that Andre The Giant only held the title for about a minute before "selling" it to Ted DiBiase back in 1988, but that's how the WWE has decided to do it. So, since it's not WWE canon, adding Jericho's 18 minute reign into the section of championship accomplishments wouldn't be accurate. Odin&#39;s Beard 00:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think is should be mentioned because he did win the championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.25.53 (talk) 23:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cut from Article
If true, this edit should not overwrite the Early Career section.

Jericho's Undisputed Title Reign (Controversy)
Hello all.

I've added a quote from the book "The Death of the World Wrestling Federation", which - it should be noted - claims to have taken various sources & accounts directly from backstage sources.

McMahon was said to have passed a pretty negative remark regarding his reign as Undisputed champion, which I have added to the main article (and backed it up with a source). However, to take the harsh edge off the comment (and to open up the fact that many fans sympathise with Y2J's situation), I've also added that many fans feel it was due to his poor booking.

Since reading it back, I took it from the main article to the 'Trivia' page (where it probably feels out of place actually), but have since moved it back, this time placing it within brackets.

I haven't added a source for that in particular, but I know various forums have threads dedicated to it. Should I reference it?

=2007=

Jericho / WCW Champion
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't The Rock the last WCW World Champion? He held it on the night of Survivor Series 2001 if I'm correct (when it was still the WCW World Championship)

It was only the next night on RAW (following WCW's 'defeat') that Vince renamed it the 'World' Championship

(I don't know if people are confused by the fact that he held the belt itself during his Undisputed run? It wasn't the WCW Championship during this era, and even if one *were* to count that belt as the WCW belt, then Triple H was in fact the last guy to hold the 'dual belt' structure prior to Ric Flair's unveiling of the new 'Undisputed' belt)

Chris Jericho was the last man to hold the WCW Championship before it was unified with the WWF Championship because he defeated The Rock first so until the end of the Stone Cold vs. Jericho match Jericho was considered the WCW Champion so at the end of the match he was known as the Undisputed Champion. And they used the 2 physical belts until they gave Triple H the new title belt but Jericho is considered the last WCW Champion.

Vengeance 2001 never once uses the term WCW Championship and, unless I'm very much mistaken, there is no reference to WCW at all, except perhaps in regards to Ric Flair. If I still have the DVD, I'll take a screengrab of the Rock's nameplate, which I KNOW says simply "World Champion." Nosleep1234 15:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It was the WCW title, renamed the World Championship after WCW/ECW lost at Survivor Series, the losing entity would cease to exist. Regardless of them not using WCW in reference to the title at Vengeance, it's the same title with a different name, there isn't any debate here. TonyFreakinAlmeida 22:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I'm satisfied with how this article, WWE Vengeance#2001, WCW World Heavyweight Championship, and List of WCW World Heavyweight Champions all read. I still don't think Jericho should be considered the last WCW champion, but that's a losing battle. Nosleep1234 15:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Where the hell is he from?
I've heard alot of people call jericho canadian and alot of people call him american, now im not sure which is correct. In his wrestlemania 19 bout against shawn michaels,jim ross credited him as being born in new your, yet lillian garcia announced him as being from winepega canada, and in the beggining of this article it says he is a canadian former wrestler, and yet it goes onto say he was born in new york, surely if he was born in new york that would make him american,so could anyone please clear this up for me??

Chris Jericho was born in New York because his father, Ted Irvine, was playing for the New York Rangers at the time, and since it was during the NHL season, the family was living on Long Island during the season. Since Jericho was born in the United States, he automatically acquired American citizenship upon birth. Furthermore, since Jericho's parents were both Canadian, Jericho also acquired Canadian citizenship upon birth,as well. Therefore, he is a dual citizen of both the United States and Canada. So, the answer to your question is that he is both Canadian and American. However, although Jericho was born in the United States, he actually grew up in Canada. He spent his childhood and early adult life in Canada. He was raised in Winnipeg and later moved to Calgary to train to become a professional wrestler. While in WCW, he decided to move to Florida because of the difficulty of the travel schedule. Nevertheless, while Jericho is a dual citizen, he considers himself Canadian more than anything else. Moreover, when WWE started billing him from New York, Jericho openly spoke about being upset with the company decision, and stated that he will always be from Winnipeg, as well as, be proud to be Canadian. Senorcanadiense 05:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I can confirm this, Chris Jericho attended High School with my older (ex) step brother in Winnipeg Manitoba- Westwood Collegiate. - 205.200.142.198 (talk) 04:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but you just saying that isn't a reliable source. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

So then shouldnt he be credited as a canadian american rather than an american, i mean even though he doesnt like it, its still true.

No, because the term Canadian-American would suggest that Jericho is a Canadian that moved and is now living in the US. He was only born in the US, the majority of his life was spent in Canada and he considers himself to be Canadian. vDub 02:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

He should be referred to as an American, because it's the country of his birth, the city he was born in if you play enough of the SvR games with him in it you often hear Lillian Garcia say he's from Manhasset (sp.?), NY which sounds a lot like Manhattan until you do a C-A-W and go under New York -> Cities -> Manhasset. So he's technically American even if most of his life was spent in Canada. Adg2k7 20:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's technically both as he owns bot dual citezenship but he refers to himself as being Canadian so perhaps he could be listed as Canadian-American but certainly not just American.Chris Benoit was also called from Atlanta even thoug hhe's from Edmonton as Vince didn't like faces being called from Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.142.191 (talk) 02:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

He was born in America, but moved to Canada, where his family is from, between the ages of 1 and 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mondaynightdraw (talk • contribs) 17:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

His Book?
Should his book that he has written A Lion's Tale : Around the World in Spandex be in Other media? --Wally787 07:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should. Indeed, there is likely a fair amount of biographical information in the book that could be added to the article. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 16:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, it should be mentioned that Jericho granted an interview to Pro Wrestling Insider magazine with regards to his new book, his band, and his future in pro wrestling.Adg2k7 20:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * He's granted literally dozens of interviews to TV and radio stations. Not notable by itself. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 20:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Leapfrog body guillotine to an opponent draped over the second rope, preceded by theatrics
Why isn't this on his moves list? He used it in practically every match dating back to at least 2002. TheHeartbreakKid15 00:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Mention of "Save_Us.222"
I made recently made the edit to say what the viral campaign was called. It had multiple names in later weeks, but this is what it was initially and consistently called, and it's on his new shirt. Why is this being removed? It's a BIG part of Jericho's return. D4S (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised they even added it to the article, as hellbent people are at not wanting the truth. Anyways, I've only seen people refer to it as the Save_us.222 or Save_us campaign on all message boards I've been to. Also, "the Code". So I guess that is what its colloquially known as. But remember, even if it did happen, you'd need a source, and there's no available trustworthy source to find on that anywhere, so let's put it the Wikipedia way - the Save_us.222 campaign never happened. --Kaizer13 (talk) 11:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It was on RAW, almost every WWE.com webpage with a "2" on it, and the latest Jericho shirt reads "Save_Us.222." What more proof do you need? D4S (talk) 03:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's your source: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/5304642/jerichoreturns admits Feed  back  ☎ 20:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Upon Jericho's return the video changed from Save_us.222 to Save_us.Y2J the first and last 2's were replaced by Y and J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay794 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Break from wrestling section
A lot of this section is simply long-ago rumors of whether Jericho was or was not thinking of returning or not, and to which company. There's little to no factual information in there and I think that most of it should be excised. Tnova4 (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. I merged a little bit of it into the section before it and removed the rest. Nikki  311  05:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

New Finisher
Could someone add his new finisher, it's called the codebreaker. thanks 89.100.191.27 (talk) 03:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)E-To-The-Izzo

I don't think it's actually been confirmed as his new finisher, nothing was said, any confirmation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sepmix (talk • contribs) 15:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually Jericho did say that when he came back he would be debuting a new finishing move. I guess it's "The Codebreaker". -- Cra sh U  nderride  16:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ross and Lawler referred to it as The Code Breaker so I'm guessing that's his new finisher's name. -- bullet proof  3:16 02:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

He used the liontamer last MONDAY RAW but not in a match but at the end fighting againist "RKO" Randy Orton, can it cant as finisher on the page SocialistRevolution 20:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, he never really locked it in, and there hasn't really been any confirmation on whether or not he's going to use it as a finisher. I think we should wait a while to see what he does with the Lion Tamer before we add it to the article. Anonymous~Source 21:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames
I think the nickname list is just way too long. Most of those listed are not actual nicknames, just taunts, or lines he has said while cutting promos. The man of 1004 holds was only used as a taunt against Malenko, the man of 1000 holds, and should not be used as in an encylopedic lift of his nicknames. I think it needs to be trimmed. Any opinions?LessThanClippers (talk) 18:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is a discussion regarding this going on right now at WPT:PW (near the bottom of the page), and we would love anybody's input into the matter. Nikki  311  19:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seriously, this constant reverting really means one thing. We should set a policy on nickname lists.  I still argue that man of 1004 holds wasnt an actual nickname.  IMHO someone else has to call you it to be a nickname, otherwise, in the words of Jim Rome, its just self glossing.--LessThanClippers (talk) 04:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

=2008=

Choke
Recently on Raw JBL was in a match with Chris Jericho which led to Y2J getting choked by a wire.JBL was going to kill him but help came and helped him.
 * Not notable, and in kayfabe. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The Dating Game
Should it be noted that Chris, Billy Kidman, and Disco Inferno were on the dating game a few years back? heres the proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ8tey30wAU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.247.160 (talk) 01:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Youtube is not a reliable source, due to their hosting of copyrighted videos illegally. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 01:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Headline text
He won the title for the 8th time and won it in the same place he lost it in 2004
 * It's already been noted that he won the title for a record 8th time.  Hazardous   Matt   21:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Outdated
The last mention of his career is his IC championship victory. I think it should be updated to include his money in the bank ladder match appearance at WM and (not sure about this, though) his current involvement in a feud with Michaels / Batista (or should that be left for after Backlash?)Vicius (talk) 03:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Fozzy Name Misspelling
For some reason someone has changed the spelling of "Moongoose McQueen" to "Mongoose McQueen". This is incorrect. His name was Moongoose, not mongoose. - PHX606

Edit: I guess no-one gives a damn that there is inaccurate information on this page. Seeing as you are ignoring my comment. - PHX606
 * Fixed, good catch. Sorry for the delay. Not everyone has this page on their watchlist. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. Thanks for fixing it. - PHX606

save_me.222
I noticed at the WWE Draft 2008 episode of Raw his TitanTron movie was not save_us.222 but save_me.222. This is because last week Jericho said that he has had enough saving the fans and is only going to save himself from now on. I don't know if this should be mentioned in the article or not. wwe socks sign 03:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Trainers
In Jericho's book, he clearly that Keith Hart showed up to the school on the first day, put Jericho in a single hold, and then left. Does he really belong as a trainer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisfs120 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Stu Hart didn't train him either. (me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.165.165 (talk) 11:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey someone fix this! You are giving credit to people who do not desirve it. Saveme222 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saveme222 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Both Stu and Keith Hart as trainers have reliable sources. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 08:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Albino Farm
Jericho will be in the 2009 movie, Albino Farm.--WWEluvr (talk) 17:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Source? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See this. I think it should be noted in the article. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  02:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It was annouced on wwe.com I'm curious why Gavyn Sykes don't know it?01:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitejung (talk • contribs)

It's already noted in the article, see here. I added it weeks ago. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 02:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

There's a page on Jericho at Chris Jericho. I can't add it because I'm not an established user here, so if someone could ...
 * ✅ ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 14:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)