Talk:Chris Pine/Archive 1

Phillip Pine
Is his uncle - his father's brother - really actor Phillip Pine? The IMDB says so, but there's such a huge age gap - 21 years - that's I'm not so sure. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 06:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * -You should read the articles on uncle, father and brother to understand that a 21 year age gap wouldn't change the likelihood of Phillip Pine being Chris Pine's uncle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.70.174.25 (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha shame. that person was really stupid. Someone needs to put up his personal life. thats the most important part. bags not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.59.180.81 (talk) 09:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * he is currently married to Rese Witherspoon whom is pregnant with her third child — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.172.19 (talk) 16:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Jewish?
The category section lists him as an American of Jew descent. In the article it states that his mom is part Jew and part Welsh. If you understand Jew culture this would lead you to believe that his maternal grandfather was the Jew. If is maternal grandmother was Jew then she would be complete Jew. That's how it works. The only time you can play games with this is if the male line is Jew. A Jew is a convert or someone whose mother was Jew (not father). Also, since he is in Hollywood, it doesn't make sense for him to hid this fact. Unlike being gay (I support gays), for a budding leading actor, being a Jew leading man is no detraction anymore.

So unless he is "really" a Jew, I recommend its deletion. Only to the Goyim does this descent "thing" make sense. To a Jew, and Jew culture, you are either one or the other; you can't be both. If for some reason you convert or Jews want you, it adds some minor level of preponderance to your conversion case, but not nearly as much as "descent" implies. Take Care. GegenIsrael (talk) 01:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Why would it be a "detraction"? The article states that his mother came from a Jewish family. It is possible that she had Jewish blood but was not fully Jewish.
 * There's an issue of Worldview here. Jews might regard the matrilineal line as being "fully" Jewish, but that is not how the majority of people (i.e. non-Jews) interpret descent with mixed blood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newzild (talk • contribs) 00:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

DUI incidence
I think it is very important to give the correct scale of such an incidence in the article. The fact, supported by the already given source, that he was not subjected to an alcohol test because of his driving style, is important to showing the scale of the incidence. If he wasn't sought out for the test because of his driving, the only reason must be that it was a routine test. It's one thing to get a DUI verdict because one got into a routine alcohol test and was over the limit. It would be a whole other thing to have been visibly drunk and been driving badly. This is an article about a living person and it should be made sure that such an incidence is not being misunderstood by the reader. That's all I'm trying to do.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 18:35, 13 February 2016 (UTC) P.S.: "too much detail" is not a good reason to delete something of such importance
 * Even including as much as you have seems overkill to me. Pine admitted he drank the vodka. He wanted to plead guilty. What the source says about the judge, to a large extent, defies common sense. How does she know anything about Pine's character to say that his drunk driving was "out of character"? It sounds like she was either being deferential to him because of his celebrity status or appreciated the fact that he didn't try to weasel out of the charge. Either way, I see no point to including most of this, even though I already reluctantly left a great deal in.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually you deleted one of the most important points. If this incident is deemed notable enough to include it in his article, it is only fair to allow it to be written in a way that shows the scale of the incidence. To which it is important that he had a clean record until then and that it was a routine check and not grounded in his driving behavior. To mention these facts is not overkill, but contributes to a balanced description of the matter, in order not to unfairly damage his reputation.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 19:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Without any of the material you added, we're not damaging his reputation. He drank too much. He was legally drunk. He admitted it and pled guilty. The fact that he wasn't weaving doesn't mean his judgment wasn't impaired. He shouldn't have been driving by his own admission. You're blowing this all out of proportion. I don't have any more comments. You can take it to WP:BLPN, or perhaps other editors will comment here.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion. I added facts that are supported by a source that had been cited here already. That you don't find it necessary to add them doesn't mean it is right of you to delete them. And without the material I added readers don't have the whole picture of what happened.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Christopher "Chris" Whitelaw Pine
from Talk:Nickname

Nickname says "English nicknames are generally represented in quotes between the bearer's first and last names", then gives only examples with nicknames between the middle and last names "(e.g., Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower, Daniel Lamont "Bubba" Franks, etc.)"--then confoundingly proceeds to say "The middle name is generally eliminated".

i came to this page after deciding the Chris Pine article begins awkwardly, naming him Christopher Whitelaw "Chris" Pine. Doesn't Christopher "Chris" Whitelaw Pine flow more easily and make more sense, given that Chris is (i presume) a modifier of Christopher rather than Whitelaw or Pine? But Christopher Whitelaw "Chris" Pine follows the same format as Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower and Daniel Lamont "Bubba" Franks. Is there some rule that says that's the preferred order? Or is it just a guideline, or just a habit? Maybe even a bad habit.

i intend to be bold (if not boldly going where no one's gone before) and edit Chris Pine's article, and hope the majority Wikipedian consensus goes my way... or, failing that, hope that someone can tell me where it says nicknames belong between the middle and last name, because the nickname article is not very clear about that. i found nothing relevant to my question in the articles personal name, given name, middle name, or surname, either; let me know if you find something i missed!

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Signed, R2-71.121.143.23 (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * from User_talk:Graham11


 * You did this to my edit. Please tell me why at Talk:Nickname while i rearrange Pine's name "correctly".  ;-)


 * Signed, R2-71.121.143.69 (talk) 04:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


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in response to "should go here"

See above, and ignore all rules.

Cheers,

R2-71.121.143.95 (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)