Talk:Chris Pond

Open University
List of Open University people states Pond was educated at the Open University. It would be nice to include some details of his education in this article. Oliver Keenan 17:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am looking for further information to include at the moment Oliver Keenan 17:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

This Article is Biased
This article has been copy-edited to make it biased to the political POV of the Labour Party at the time of the 2005 General Election.--Toddy1 09:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it has not. It has been edited to remove an allegation of bias against the BBC which was not supported by reliable sources. The only evidence offered was a blog and a collection of original research synthesising BBC News Online reports to draw a conclusion not referenced to any reliable source. Frm WP:OR: "Producing a reliable published source that advances the same claim taken in context is the only way to disprove an assertion that a claim constitutes original research."
 * The story of Pond's arrest and his cautioning by the police is still there, with the references to the two reliable sources which you added yesterday. Please clarify exactly how you feel it biased to the Labour Party POV. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I was wondering if your reply above [see User talk:Toddy1#Jonathan Sayeed] meant that you didn't want to respond to the questions I asked at Talk:Chris Pond. I would prefer to see the POV tag removed, and would like to discuss it, but if you don't want to discuss it, I think that I should just remove it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

No, please do not remove the POV tag until someone has corrected the problems.

BBC Bias. I accepted your arguments on the BBC bias issue yesterday, and did not refer to that with the POV tag. The degree of bias by the BBC when comparing these two cases shocked me. But there is not much I can do about it.

Labour Party of 2005 General Election POV. There were a number of edits that subtly introduced a distinct Labour Party of 2005 General Election POV. Apart from these three matters, I have no quarrel with your copy edits on Mr Pond.--Toddy1 16:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Pond was arrested by the police after an alleged attack on a young mother's house." 'Alleged' introduces an element of doubt into whether it really happened.  But the Daily Mail article said that "Last night, Mr Pond admitted causing criminal damage".  The Times article also says that "Mr Pond was then told that he was being offered a police caution for criminal damage, which meant admitting his guilt and paying £120 to repair the door... Mr Pond told the newspaper: “I decided to bring the nightmare to an end by accepting a caution. I have to accept I made a mistake. If leaving traces of glue on the door constitutes criminal damage, I have to take responsibility for it.”"  The Daily Mail article stresses very strongly that the attack was violent and frightened the victim.
 * You have deleted the statement that "the Attorney General. Lord Goldsmith was a Ministerial colleague". This is pertinent to the issue of why he got off with a caution, and comes from the sources.
 * Chronologically, Mr Pond's violent attack on the house took place before the election. Yet you have moved it to a later position in the article.  This suggests that the incident was not pertinent to the election.  Evidence from other elections (e.g. the Martin Bell vs Neil Hamilton election) suggests that if apparently unbiased media portray one candidate as a nasty person, it helps his/her opponent.


 * I have moved this discussion to Talk:Chris Pond. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Not to be confused with
When people refer to Chris Pond in a House of Commons context, there is evidently some confusion as to which Chris Pond is meant:
 * The man who attacked his neighbour's house
 * The librarian

There have been repeated attempts by one or more people who use a House of Commons ISP to place the following text in the article:
 * "Note -- sometimes confused with, but unrelated to, Chris (Christopher Charles) Pond, b 1949, who was a senior librarian at the House of Commons Library and a member of EssexCounty Council."

BrownHairedGirl deleted this, so I tried to solve the problem by creating a disambiguation page. However the ever destructive BrownHairedGirl deleted the disambiguation page. I have therefore reinserted the "not to be confused with text" created by 194.60.38.198.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no need either to disambiguate from someone non-notable or to include a reference to that person inn the article. And please refrain from personal attacks. The problem here is not with the person or persons who add the unnecessary refs to the other Pond. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please refrain from personal attacks on users.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure that Chris Pond is not notable?
One can readily see why there could be confusion between Mr Pond the author, the Head of Reference and Reader Services at the House of Commons Library, and Vice-Chairman of SCOOP and the other guy.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.aslib.co.uk/training/speakers.html
 * "Chris Pond is Head of Reference and Reader Services at the House of Commons Library, where he has worked for 30 years. He lectures and writes regularly on Parliament and parliamentary history, and government publishing and information. He has a special interest in historical, as well as current, sources in this area. He has been involved in electronic publishing since 1978 and has been keen to explore means of electronic information dissemination. As a local councillor, he also takes an interest in local government publishing and information."

http://www.cilip.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/18D406E6-CCBE-4CF7-A8F6-3AE3A91813F9/0/SCOOPParltOnline2007AprilProgramme.pdf
 * Online British Parliamentary sources 1275 - 2006 A full-day SCOOP professional seminar 23rd April 2007. Chaired by Chris Pond, House of Commons Library, Vice-Chairman SCOOP

http://www.essexcc.gov.uk/vip8/ecc/ECCWebsite/dis/guc.jsp?channelOid=14341&guideOid=14337&guideContentOid=14356#c48
 * Independent councillor for Loughton Central

http://www.loughton-tc.gov.uk/7anrep3.pdf
 * Town Councillor

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,,737675,00.html
 * The Guardian, Saturday June 15, 2002. OBE award to: Christopher Charles Pond, Head, Reference and Reader Services, Library and pres, Trade Union Side, House of Commons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2002/birthday_honours_2002/2045216.stm
 * BBC, Queens Birthday Honours, Friday 14 June 2002, OBE award to: Christopher Charles Pond. Head, Reference and Reader Services, Library and president, Trade Union Side, House of Commons. (Loughton, Essex)

Chris Pond is the author of various books I can buy on Amazon


 * Walks in Loughton's Forest: Short Epping Forest Walks in and Around Loughton by Chris Pond and Caroline Pond (Paperback - 3 Mar 2007)
 * The Loughton Railway 150 Years on: The Leyton-Woodford-Loughton Railway from Eastern Counties to Central Line by Chris Pond, Ian Strugnell, and Ted Martin (Paperback - 10 Jun 2006)
 * The Early History of the House of Commons Library: Reports from Standing Committees on the Library of the House 1840-1856 (House of Commons Library Document)
 * Life in Loughton 1926 - 1946: Includes Appendices on Jose' Collins and on Richard Stannard VC by Peter Woodhouse and Chris Pond (Paperback - 12 Dec 2003)

Other publications:
 * Larkswood : a history of Larkswood school, formerly South Chingford Primary, New Road, Chingford 1906-2006; by John Conen with Chris Pond. Loughton: The authors, 2006. 60 p., [8 p. of plates. ISBN 095444261X.]

The Most Notable Christopher Pond Was Neither of Them
The most notable Christopher Pond was the [co-founder] of Spiers and Pond, who is remembered 126 years after his death in 1881. Perhaps Mr Pond the author and librarian will be remembered over a century after his death, but the guy with the violent temper will most-likely be forgotten.

Piers and Pond were defendants in a legal case quoted in Contractual term.

They also played an important part in cricket history: the first-ever tour of Australia by any overseas team and the second tour abroad by an English team.

Spiers and Pond had role in the history of the London Underground.

I really think that a disambiguation page is called for.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)