Talk:Christ Church Grammar School

Notable Alumni
It is the schools requet that the notable alumni be left on the page. They serve as role models for the current students. Please do not remove them or edit them in any way, other than to remove typos. Thanks --CCGS 13:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what school this is, but no-one has any specific say as to what should be put in the article. Only parts of the article that are notable per WP:N should be included. The 'school' does not control Wikipedia and therefore has no right to say what should be included in this article (please don't take what I say rudely but you should understand this).

Topology Expert (talk) 10:51, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Notice
Please do not vandalise this page or the Christ Church Grammar School page. It devalues wikipedia, and no one finds it very funny. In future if you feel like having fun, please, as the admin stress use the sandbox

Thank you in advance, CCGS-Admin 08:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Please understand that there are many good people in Wikipedia and if you contribute frequently enough you might notice this. Some people think that Wikipedia is not good enough because anyone can edit. I disagree. Many articles in Wikipedia are extremely useful and I can say with confidence that I have learnt a lot from Wikipedia (despite the fact that I am a mathematician). Just because people vandalise this page does not mean that Wikipedia is bad; this can not be avoided. There are a great many more people in Wikipedia who make good edits than bad edits.

Also, despite the fact that you have good intentions, Wikipedia is controlled by nobody. Even administrators do not have the right to tell people what to do (but they are of course important). I hope that you understand this but if you have any questions please feel free to drop by my talk page

Topology Expert (talk) 11:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, there are people who edit Wikipedia and have won noble prizes (if you do not know what a noble prize is, see the link. From what I have read about this school I doubt that any focus to academics is given).

Topology Expert (talk) 05:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Topology Expert, I do not believe that the user CCGS-Admin wanted to order people not to vandalize the page, it was just saying "Please do not vandalise this page". The Vandalism of pages is not looked on fondly by Wikipedia Administrators either. Also, how can you claim that Christ Church Does not focus on academics. They came 3rd in Western Australia for Year 12 WACE results in 2010 and were the top boys school.

EeeeeWarne (talk) 10:11, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Activity Grammar
"In year 9, all students select to do a certain activity on Friday afternoon. For year 10,"

This is incorrect grammar. It should be "In year 9, all students select to da certain activity on Friday afternoons for Year 10. These include..."

Also ENCOMM is incorrect abbreviation it should be ENCOM No it shouldn't it's ENCOMM. I'm a student there - I would know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.64.162.176 (talk • contribs) 15:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I can't find the text to which you're refering. You know... You can make these sorts of changes yourself. :) The page isn't protected at the moment. &tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 16:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested re-assessment
A good start article. The sporting alumni merit a mid importance rating. You already know that you need to provide references. Some pics would also help. Dahliarose 20:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Standard
Being a mathematician (not a school expert (I came across this article by chance!)) I would say that this article may have to be rewritten. It is clear that this article has been written by a teacher from the school (not neutral point of view), and per Wikipedia policies may need a complete rewrite. Second of all, many points in this article are given without firm citations and therefore the correctness of these statements are disputed. I am a neutral but this is an encyclopedic article and not a promotion of the school. Facts should be included but I am placing a tag on this article because of the reasons mentioned.

Topology Expert (talk) 11:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, to much un-referenced material it feels a bit like a advertisement--Mdavies 965 (talk) 12:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

sport
Continued from User_talk:TRS-80, in response to Topology Expert.

The number of hours of sport by itself does not make the school a "sports camp" - there is no comparison to the amount of sport at other schools in the state, and if you did, you'd be veering into WP:OR. Much of the sport is performed after classes have finished, rendering your sums invalid. Years 8 and 9 do play sport during school hours on Friday afternoons, but that time is non-academic - Years 10 and 11 have an activity, and Year 12s can go home. The school itself follows the state curriculum.

Venture is 10 days, and training for Venture is performed during the final term in place of the Year 10 activity on Friday afternoon. It and the Year 8 and 9 camps are not sport camps, but outdoor education.

You have given no references in-line, contrary to WP:VERIFY. "(this in fact illustrates the attitude of the school: ruthlessness and cruelty)" is clearly not WP:NPOV.

"Just to note, I am a mathematician but I happened to come across this page." If you would like to improve this page, I suggest you look at Scotch College, Perth and Aquinas College, Perth which are both Good Articles.

TRS-80 (talk) 08:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly (you said): Much of the sport is performed after classes have finished, rendering your sums invalid. Since this sport is compulsory, it is part of school. And according to my sums, there is more sport hours than school hours and hence sport is considered more important that school work. Second of all, the school does not follow the same curriculum as other schools; in other schools sports is not at all compulsory and is only required for at most 1 hour/week (example: any public school in Perth; if you search this up and example would be Shenton College).

Boys are trained to be ruthless and cruel. This statement is correct; for instance the school is proud of Wil Heaton, the dingo hunter (while dingo hunting is illegal in Australia). As User:CCGS said, boys look up to the alumini and Wil Heaton is part of it.

Topology Expert (talk) 08:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

See this; please cease from using bad language in edit summaries.

(by the way, I did not add the 'Wil Heaton is a dingo hunter' bit but I doubt that it is incorrect; search google with the name).

Topology Expert (talk) 09:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Shenton College is a government school, and not directly comparable. Wesley College, Perth is a private school, and also member of the Public Schools Association and is comparable - it also has compulsory after school sport. If you'd searched the website instead of making numbers up, you would have come across the timetable which shows 27 50-minute periods, so 22.5 hours/week of classes, vs 7 hours of sport (2 after school on each of Monday and Wednesday, 3 on Friday).


 * Wil Heaton - you added "(this in fact illustrates the attitude of the school: ruthlessness and cruelty)" which is the POV edit I'm talking about. Do you have a reference for this claimed attitude of the school? Or references for any of the other claims you added to the article?


 * TRS-80 (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

You are still forgetting the sport inside school (which is also compulsory) and adds on an extra 5 hours each week. You are also forgetting recess and lunch which are also non-academic hours. You have also yet to understand that this effectively reduces the the hours of school time (its simple: since the total number of hours is constant, increasing the hours of sport, decreases the hours of school). The website you cited is a lie (not your lie but a lie made by the school; get a proper link from the government of Western Australia).

Topology Expert (talk) 08:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sport inside school is at most 3 periods/week (there's 5 in the 10 day cycle) for Year 8, and it goes down from there. That's 2.5 hours/week. I am not forgetting recess and lunch, they are not included in the total of 22.5 hours which I obtained by counting academic time only, and are not relevant to this discussion of sport vs academic time. The website is not a lie - if the school were not following the state curriculum, they would be under investigation by the state education department. TRS-80 (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, please explain why you were uncivil in that edit summary.

Topology Expert (talk) 08:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Because I did not assume good faith. My apologies. TRS-80 (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Wil Heaton is apparently a famous dingo hunter (I didn't search this up; the editor who wrote it is quite respected) (I never knew there was a competition for dingo hunting though). Hunting dingos is against Australian laws (google 'dingo hunting Australia') but Christ Church Grammar School is proud of it. Anyway, that is besides the point. I do not wish to make POV edits (I just want to add factually correct information which the article currently lacks). However, what I said about 'ruthlessness and cruelty' is factually accurate by Australian laws (as I mentioned, dingo hunting is illegal).

Topology Expert (talk) 08:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "Google 'dingo hunting Australia'" is not a citation - please supply a link supporting your claim, I couldn't find one. You accuse me of ignoring the point, when I have asked several times for citations for your claims, and you have provided none. Do you have a citation for where the school specifically says they're proud of Wil Heaton, as opposed to alumni generally? "Ruthlessness and cruelty" is a POV statement. Another view (not necessarily mine) is that dingos hunt on other animals and killing them saves those animals from cruelty, and is therefore a compassionate act. TRS-80 (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Calm down. Dingo hunting is illegal anyhow and as User:CCGS quotes, 'boys look up to the alumini'. Wil Wheaton is part of the alumini. Search 'Wil Wheaton' on the web and you should get quite a few results (by the way, the dingo hunter is 'Wil Wheaton'; not 'Wil Heaton'). As I mentioned, several IP's have added this info so I doubt that it is incorrect. Perhaps you should consult those IP'sfor references (killing animals (except for cane toads and insects) is illegal in Australia; you should know being a W.A expert whereas I am not).
 * Isn't Wil Wheaton an actor? (Forgive my Star Trek TNG geekiness...) Orderinchaos 12:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Outdoor education: To train people to live independently; not care for others and have the attitude that no-one is your friend. Isn't that ruthless and cruel enough (if you search the website, Christ Church Grammar School train boys to hunt animals for food in the wild).

Topology Expert (talk) 05:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Topology Expert, on Wikipedia, we rely on verification from reliable sources when writing information in articles. We write from a neutral point of view and do not resort to original research. While I thoroughly respect that you detect a distinct gap between what the article says (which may well tend a bit promotional, I haven't read in detail but many school/organisation articles do) and what it perhaps should say, adding bracketed loaded comments in article space and making unsupported assertions and making accusations towards editors who do not share your view is not the way to do it - find a book in the library or a journal article and cite it properly. The same standard is in place here that you would be familiar with from your studies in mathematics. Incidentally, there ARE ways to get out of compulsory sport at such schools - a friend of mine went to Hale and it's really just a matter of being insanely good at something else that the school values (be it academic, musical or whatever). Orderinchaos 12:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note I have done some tidying up of this article including the sport section, while not changing the context of the information I have removed some POV and rewritten the information on the Head of the River adding links to appropriate articles. Gnangarra 13:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Fail
If you want to apply for admission it is probably better to call the school or email them, not post on the schools wikipedia page, as they probably do not check this page regularly.

Msambell (talk) 02:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Lindsay Hutchinson Case
Is the Lindsay Hutchinson case considered important enough to include in this article?

Zeeperzack (talk) 08:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Written like an advertisement
This article appears to have been written like an advertisement, and in my opinion fails to provide a neutral point of view on the subject matter. I recommend it be completely rewritten in an encyclopedic manner, rather than in what appears to be a PR job. Davblayn (talk) 12:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed, over a year later. "As students progress from Pre-Primary to Year 12 at Christ Church, they will experience six, distinct 'Phases of Learning' that aim to cater for individual differences, provide structure and feedback, and enhance personal bests." That sentence is probably the worst. 102 at 1625 (talk) 08:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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