Talk:Christian Vegetarian Association

vfd debate: Votes for deletion/Christian Humanists and Rationalists 04:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The outcome of that debate was to merge this article with Christian Humanists and Rationalists. If no one else does it I'll get around to it. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:31, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

I really DON'T think this should have been merged with Christian Humanists and Rationalists, because it doesn't really say anything about what that SEPARATE organization does, only that CVA is a member. It serves to possibly bias people against the CVA by listing them along side Christian Polygamists. It perhaps should be mentioned that CVA is a part of that group, but it does not need to go into detail about that group itself.

-- MaynardClark 04:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)MaynardClark

I was SCANDALIZED to see a segment on the so-called (and possibly one-person?) 'GROUP' called 'Christian Humanists and Rationalists'

Christian Humanists and Rationalists
Christian Humanist and Rationalist (CHR-IST) ministries is a unique family of independent, international progressive ministries, creatively "integrating skepticism with theology."

Representative ministries include the Christian Skeptics Society (CSS), Christian Vegetarian Association (CVA), Christian Yoga Institute, Humanists for Vegetarianism (H4V), the International Institute for Memetic Ethics and Evolutionary Theology (IIMEET) and the Society of Ethical and Religious Vegetarians (SERV).

Christian Humanist Ministries was initially founded in 1999 by Nathan Braun, then a presidential scholar at the University of Alberta (Augustana Faculty). Officers of Christian Humanist Ministries are involved in the publication of numerous books, websites, and articles. ````````````````````````

As a person who in 1999 had been invited to be on the CVA Board (I declined on the grounds that MY being on the CVA Board would be inappropriate for CVA), my personal memory of the 'fall of Nathan Braun' may be useful here. Braun was discredited on the basis of a wayward and unrepresentative lifestyle, spent some time oversees, and seems to have tried to promote all kinds of 'alternative understandings' through his former 'channels'. $$Insert formula here$$

Religious and other vegetarians and vegans
If we are going to do a 'treatment' (suitable for Wikipedia), we will need some 'original research' on whether or not there is documentation of all the denominational organizing of vegetarians, vegans, and environmental diets (as well as animal advocates). To my mind, a standard of looking mostly at what journalists recognize as 'notable' makes fun of one of the primary challenges of our time - to the objectivity of journalists. Anyway, throughout the 80s and 90s and into this century there have been efforts to pull together vegetarian practitioners in religious communities where they were a statistical minority. I doubt that we have much printed record of that, though a number of seemingly/putatively 'denominational' vegetarian discussion lists emerged (YahooGroups.com and GoogleGroups.com and eGroups.com before that). Also, The American Humanist Association took 'classified advertising' from any group willing to pay for it, giving seeming legitimacy in its publications for all kinds of tangential groups (such as SEA, the Society of Evangelical Agnostics - who advocated that a sense of mystery and not knowing in ultimate matters is the right way to live one's life. Thus, I question that something on the order of a classified advertisement is worthy of Wikipedia coverage. Also, Nathan Braun was involved in the early days of CVA, and 'biographical factors' intervened (so he is not - suddenly). MaynardClark (talk) 18:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)