Talk:Christian hardcore

General comment
People, please - this is not the way an article should be written. "Tough guy" should never NOT be in quotes! I can't believe this article. In fact, most of the music-genre articles are very, very bad. YOU PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE THE WAY THIS OR SIMALER ARTICALS ARE WRITTEN(I.E THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE ABOVE COMMENT) should stop badgering people for the way they organize/write an article and leave it be (i.e. don’t say, think, or do any thing to the article) Or just edit the article to your likening (i.e. take the time to edit /revise the article/articles)antiedman 02:02 Am June/6th/2006

Criticism
Where should the "Criticism" section go? --Jamiem
 * probably before Christian hardcore. Paul foord 03:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This article is just like Hardcore music.. In your face, scattered and all over the place.. But I think it does have merit at it's "Core" (pun intended) and can be saved!! Armorbearer777 (talk) 07:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

NPOV
specifically the criticism section but ouch does this reek of NPOV (even uses "we" and such) MengHuo 06:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Does this "article" sound like an advertisement for someone's band ("Death Is Not Welcome Here") to anyone else? This is hardly a significant band in the Christian hardcore scene. Yet they are the only one appearing with a direct link to their website.

Fixed intentional deletion
Someone intentially deleted the first paragraph and replaced it with a sentence that "Christian Hardcore is a joke"... I have fixed this... //// Pacific PanDeist * 06:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Link
I fixed the link to Training For Utopia. Most articles with the reference have the incorrect capitalization, so I'm attempting to fix them. Jlricherson 05:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Christian Hardcore Shows
A few friends pointed me to this website recently, it has a lot of Christian Hardcore info including news, bands, labels, and interviews. Maybe it should be used as a resource for the article and added as an external link. http://www.christianhardcoreshows.com/ --68.190.244.49 04:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Criticism section is a joke
It is completely original research. First off, it equates a whole religion to a set of beliefs that are not even important. There is no Christian consensus on authority of government...This whole article is pretty much original research, but this section is ridiculous. Rewrite it and source within a week or so, or I am going to remove it.--Wick3dd (talk) 02:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

As Promised
I am back to make good on my above comment. However, I am going to rewrite and source rather than remove material. If I removed all the OR from this page, there would be no page. I welcome all feedback, and contribution would be greatly appreciated. I am taking a rather hard stance here though. Nothing that is not sourced. This is an easy topic to source so there is no excuse. Please do not revert anything without bringing it up here first. Also, I will try to put as much explanation as I can into edit summaries. G'day, thanks for the time.--Wick3dd (talk) 20:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Positive Hardcore Myspace Artists from South Africa

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Just curious
Why did someone remove absolutely every citation I worked hard to find for this joke of an article? --Wick3dd (talk) 07:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Which citations are those? Perhaps you could ask the editor. If they were anonymous, just undo their deletion. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This article is a MESS!! But I believe that just like all mankind... It can be SAVED!! I will try to work on it more next week. Armorbearer777 (talk) 07:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

X-tian HC.
This article has several wrong statements, namely the one that says that Hardcore came from Straight Edge. That is 100% false and this article generally blows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.110.84 (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you know the 100% correct answer but won't share it with us, how can we improve it? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone who knows anything about hardcore at all knows that Straight Edge was a subculture that grew out of hardcore. How about Christians learn at least the basics of the culture they are appropriating? And whoever thinks Black Flag "produced a positive message" needs to actually have a listen to some Black Flag.  Cdh1984 (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Entire Article is a JOKE.
I'm sorry guys. I'm a HUGE fan of Christian metalcore bands and Christian hardcore bands, but "Christian hardcore" is NOT and never has been a distinct genre. Hardcore punk is a genre. Metalcore is a genre. If bands who represent these genres are practicing Christians and have Christian lyrics, that doesn't mean they invented some brand new genre of music with it's own distinct characteristics and origins. It's the same old genre hardcore punk, the ONLY difference is that the bands have Christian lyrics and ideals. That's all it is. This is getting waaay out of hand. I mean, really?! There isn't even a single reference, and even if one reliable reference happened to exist, that isn't enough to base an extensive article on. At best this information should be merged into the articles about hardcore punk and metalcore. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ... (Talk)   04:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The same goes for Christian alternative rock and Christian punk. They have hardly any references. There aren't articles about Islamic hardcore or Islamic alternative rock, because, quite frankly, there are TONS of different musicians that represent TONS of different religions. But a musician/band is classified into a genre not based on religion, but based on the characteristics of their music. There is no need to have large, unreferenced articles about non-notable religious scenes of hardcore punk bands (ps: I'm a Christian, so don't get me wrong. The reason I'm saying all this is because there are far too many Wikipedia articles about fake or non-notable music genres and fusions. This is one of them. Most of the information here is unreliable. Some of it is good, though, so the good information should be moved into relevant articles). --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    04:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I don't think you understand the issue. If you want to discuss it, feel free to. If you're going argue from a point of superiority or arrogance, don't. It's not appropriate. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if any of that came across as "arrogance". I'm just pointing out that this is a huge article with absolutely no references. But I honestly don't see how anyone could consider that statement arrogant, or an attempt to sound "superior". I'm just relating the facts. This article is composed entirely of original research. It has so many issues, it amazes me that it hasn't been deleted yet. It shouldn't exist. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ... (Talk)   21:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Huge? Wikipedia measures its articles by the number of bytes. The last edit pegs its length at 8,432 bytes. It's presently 634506 on the list of long pages. But you were likely using hyperbole and so can actually try to get at the root of your WP:AXE?
 * It is long and while it's unreferenced, if you'd like to take things you'd like to see referenced, it should be possible to supply them or remove the statements. There's nothing unusual about the statements or incorrect that I have read. As for Islamic hardcore or the other non-genres you mentioned earlier, there's nothing stopping anyone from creating those articles, but I suspect that they would actually need content. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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