Talk:Christiana Riot

Some sources
some references I've gathered but not necessarily used

To be mined and commented upon. --Erp (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * DEAD
 * Whole relatively recent book on the subject
 * self-published
 * lacks sources but does have pictures some of which might be acquired.
 * self-published
 * lacks sources but does have pictures some of which might be acquired.
 * self-published
 * lacks sources but does have pictures some of which might be acquired.
 * lacks sources but does have pictures some of which might be acquired.


 * Another interesting piece is though it sources would have to be used not it directly. --Erp (talk) 01:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Where this is currently discussed in Wikipedia
Current major discussion of this topic takes places in the following places in Wikipedia I also have a question about the best title for this article. Christiana Riot and Christiana Tragedy were frequently used (neither have a current redirect). --Erp (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * William Parker (abolitionist)
 * Lancaster_County,_Pennsylvania (redirect of Christiana Resistance points here)


 * Christiana Riot seems like it covers the issue. Are you okay with that title, or is there more than just the one riot to cover? We can always make aliases for the other synonyms for the event. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm going ahead with pushing this to mainspace as Christiana Riot. Mainstream references:


 * https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-christiana-riot
 * https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/archive/christiana-riot-trial/
 * http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-109
 * https://blackpast.org/aah/christiana-riot-1851
 * https://www.lancasterhistory.org/highlights/christiana/christianafindaid.htm
 * https://lancasteronline.com/civilwar/blood-flowed-first-at-christiana-riot/article_fc0958aa-cae8-5471-b77c-cbcbab316065.html

That there's a commemorative sign that says "The Christiana Riot" probably gives it a good shot at being the common name for this. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I get the feeling each of the names carries baggage. Historically it has been either Christiana Riot or, less often, Christiana Tragedy; however, the term 'riot' implies senseless violence where this is more violence to preserve freedom.  Let's leave it as Riot right now, but, there may be further discussion of the name if this article attracts more editors. The aftermath and the trial, which I haven't really dealt with yet, gets very interesting and heated. --Erp (talk) 04:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The term "riot" was used by the White-owned media. The Black community uses the term "Resistance".  Just as the Tulsa Massacre was originally reported as the Tulsa Race Riot.  In both cases, Whites attacked Blacks, and then described the event as Blacks rioting.
 * IMHO, titling this Wiki page as "Riot" perpetuates that racism. "Resistance" would be historically more accurate, and less racist.  I would like it to say Christiana Resistance, AKA Riot, rather than what it says now, Christiana Riot, AKA Resistance.  We need to keep "riot" in there, because the term was used historically.  But I hate to see it as the Wiki title.
 * Just my $0.02. I didn't do the work to create this page, so I'm reticent about changing its title.  I make this suggestion in case the original authors are listening and interested. Coachjpg (talk) 19:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Map
The library of Congress has a 1851 map of Lancaster county, PA which also includes Penningtonville RR station https://www.loc.gov/item/2012592191/ We could use  part to illustrate the article. --Erp (talk) 03:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I've added a map though since I couldn't pinpoint exactly where on the map the Parker house was, I just gave general directions. Also I note that there are two Sadsbury townships in the area. One in Lancaster county which includes Christiana and one in the adjacent Chester county which includes Penningtonville station. --Erp (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to change article name to Christiana resistance
As stated with a redirect for Christiana Riot. "Riot" is the most common according to a google search (not that any of the choices are too common) but carries the implication that they were wrong to resist an immoral law (at least from the viewpoint of most of us who consider slavery immoral). Thoughts, other options? Erp (talk) 20:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

It was a resistance NOT a riot, please change article title
I feel that calling this event a "riot" is disingenuous. It was a true resistance, it was never a riot. Please change the title of this Wikipedia article to reflect that. 2601:19C:8101:1580:D5E5:759F:F584:C752 (talk) 15:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)