Talk:Christianity and other religions/Archive 2

Religion and politics, Religion and class and Inter-religious Relations
I have created the above pages – contributions welcome (though the Christianity and politics page has already been created).

Can someone set up an archive page for this talk page (and then remove this sentence) as somewhat long?

Jackiespeel 22:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposal to move this page to Christianity and other religions
I am proposing moving this article to Christianity and other religions for the purpose of consistency with other religion articles. For example Islam and other religions.-- Sef rin gle Talk 05:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Christianity and Hellenistic mystery religions
I think there should be a section on the similarities between Christianity and certain Hellensitic cults and the possible influence of the latter on the former. Bobisbob 03:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I half expected
to see satanism on here, now THAT would be a fun topic to read.--Ssteiner209 (talk) 20:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction tag
The following was placed in the Relationship with Mithraism and Sol Invictus section:

Contradict|section|about=whether or not Mithraism was known about before 100AD|date=March 2009

There can be many arguments of a thing which does not make them contradictions as they are just that; arguments. I've reworded the section to reflect these may be arguments and may not be factual information. Until a source is found which can definitely state one way or the other, I suggest wording this section to reflect that there are many differing opinions as to when Mithraism was known. This can also be an issue of acceptance rather than definitive knowledge. It really isn't contradiction as there can always be more than one opinion of a thing. It seems as it may be contradiction, but it is more an issue of lack of proper citation. Thanks so much. Kjnelan (talk) 16:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

removed sentence
Hi! As you may have seen, I've added the sources for some claims, like Justin Martyr's views of mithraism, and then I found the source for plutarch's account on cilician pirates. Now I'm going to remove the following:
 * , and Mithraism and Sol Invictus became popular in the Roman administered regions before the advent of Christianity{Citation needed|date=July 2009}

The main problem is not that it's been unsourced for several years now, but it is just wrong. "Roman administred regions" is half of europe and all the mediterranean. Mithraism never gained empire-wide acceptance (and christianity needed 5 centuries to reach the whole area of the empire). Also, Mithraism and Sol Invictus are completely different set of beliefs: one is romanized zoroastism, the other is just a feast that honors Jupiter. The fact that they are both in the same sentence treated as interchangeable terms makes me doubt of the reliability of the original author. 190.229.69.58 (talk) 13:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

A second thread: on the credibility of Ronald H. Nash. I don't think it is self-published because when you search google one of the top results is Ronald G Nash R.I.P. dated 2006, and there are some places that talk about him as a great professor and writer. I think it is enough to consider him reputable and, being blod, I'm going to remove the {verify credibility} and {self-published}. Feel free to include them again if I'm doing it wrong or there is some other wikibureaucracy to do first.190.229.69.58 (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

What Christians "Generally Believe"
The article says "Generally Christians believe that religious pluralism is heresy and contradicts the Bible.[1]" This seems to be sourced from a small evangelical branch. Most Christians in the world are Catholic, so if we want to use the word "generally" we ought to put what the Catholic church says here, not the simplistic statement cited. Moreover, this put under the heading "Classical Christianity." The beliefs cited are nothing of the kind; it is of a modern Protestant group. I don't think they are representative. Changed it anyway for accuracy's sake to "Evangelical Christians believe that . . . " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.237.156 (talk) 06:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Christianity and Atheism
Shouldn't we write something about the relationship between Christianity and Atheism (and other philosophies like Agnostic)? The Fading Light 20:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

As atheism and agnosticism are not religions, such commentary does not belong on this page. The relationship between Christianity and Buddhism, an atheist religion, already exists. There may be room to address the relationship with other atheistic faiths, but I doubt there would be much to say other than speculation. --Skyhawk0 13:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't call Buddhist atheists. They do believe in a salvation(Nirvana). They have many religious traditions. They seem to be very spiritual for atheists. Anker99 06:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

23:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)162.213.194.50 (talk)== Christianity and Islam ==

I changed references to ‘Christ’ in the “Relationship with Islam” section to ‘Jesus’. This makes the article more openly readable, rather than just viewing things from a Christian perspective. Since there were references to Islam’s view of Christ, such as “Christ is acknowledged and respected by Muslims”, the wording seemed inappropriate considering Muslims don’t believe Jesus IS the Christ. --Skyhawk0 13:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a general comment. This section is still very POV. For example,
 * However, while Islam relegates Jesus to a lesser status than God — "in the company of those nearest to God" in the Qur'an, mainstream Christianity believes quite firmly and without question that Jesus is God, one of the three hypostases (persons) of Christianity's Holy Trinity, equally God as are the Father and the Holy Spirit.
 * is probably better phrased as something like
 * However, while Islam regards Jesus as strictly a prophet ("in the company of those nearest to God" in the Qur'an), mainstream Christianity regards Jesus as divine, a part of God (see Trinity).
 * --Mcorazao 05:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

-- OK, I see a problem here which is that there are two main sects of Islam and out of those sects there are some rather deviant beliefs and practices as well. I mean what you say is the "true" Islamic belief BUT a lot of Sunni rituals and practices are not from Quran (Quran being the one true reference for Islam, the Muslim Holy Book). For example, many Sunnis wash 3 times before praying and many wash their noses out. It does not say in Quran to do this. Shiates on the other hand have been influenced by the Ayatolla dictators and many DO pray to Muhammad's relatives etc. They pray 3 times instead of 5. It says in Quran to pray 5 times a day. Sunnis usually pray 5 times.

So what is written about Islam already noted here is what Muslims are supposed to believe according to Quran, but somewhere, maybe not on this page but noted and leading to another, you should talk about the deviation BOTH these sects are having. Especially in Iran where the Ayatollas tell Iranians that they are not allowed to read Quran because they won't understand it and they must listen to the Ayatollas that do.

Quran is specifically meant to be read personally as its meant for there to be different interpretations. The Quran enlightens each person differently.

There is no viable reference I have for what is going on in Iran other than I lived there. Its not a place for free discussion. Maybe someone else who knows what I am saying can contribute. 162.213.194.50 (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)Helen