Talk:Christianity and transgender people

Source 22
Source 22 ("Vatican says 'sex-change' operation does not change person's gender") demonstrates concerning bias, and does not appear (at a very preliminary glance) to be very reputable as it is mostly opinion and links to information. It might be preferable to use some of the sources mentioned in source 22 rather than using it as an intermediate. Relevant info is mostly in http://ncronline.org/news/vatican-says-sex-change-operation-does-not-change-persons-gender which is concerningly the Catholic news service (again bias). It is quoted directly in the source and makes up the majority of the text.

"Cross-dressing"????
Is the title of "cross dressing" really an appropriate title for a section on trans* issues? Transsexuals and transgender people would not identify that way and to refer to them as such is actually quite offensive. I would suggest some other title or perhaps the elimination of that section altogether.SeminarianJohn (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure where else in the encyclopedia this would want to go. I added a clarification that being a transgender person is different than cross-dressing, and also that due to lack of recognition that's what some denominations consider post-transition trans people to be doing. -- Beland (talk) 18:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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Evaluation of Christianity and transgender people
Article Evaluation Section: Christianity and transgender people

The content in the article Christianity and transgender people is relevant to the topic about Christianity and transgender peoples. Reading the first paragraph informs the reader that there is not straight forward answer that can be generalized to the entire Christian religion and so sets a broad point that future sub-topics address. A distracting piece of the article is the list of Christian denominations that allow transgender clergy in the middle of the page. It distracts readers just because it is a list of denominations with no explanation of why they allow transgender people be be clergy. I believe either the list should go to the bottom of the page and so out of the way or each denomination should have a short explanation of why they allow transgender people. The information used in the page is up to date within a year giving it good credibility for current times. The page is missing the other side of the transgender list. I believe if the page includes a list of denominations that accept transgender clergy, there should also be a list of denominations that don't recognize transgender clergy's to balance the point of view.

Overall, the tone is informative with very little bias one way or the other. However, the viewpoint of Christianity accepting transgender people is greatly over represented. The first line state "Within Christianity there are a variety of views on the issues of gender identity and transgender people." and the the article goes on to talk mostly about different churches that have accepted or allowed transgender people. Only at the bottom of the page do we start to see the other side of the transgender issue with a couple quotes explaining the reason why they are against accepting transgender people. Giving a rough estimate, the ratio of writing about pro-transgender churches and anti-transgender churches is about 70:30.

I checked source #50 which is a reference to the Bible. The link worked and also gave me a page with the exact quote that was used in Wikipedia. I checked source #60 and it sent me to a NPR article explaining exactly what was mentioned in the wiki article. I checked source #70 and the link sent me to a USA today page where an article explained in more detail then what was included in Wikipedia. All the references came from credible sources. I don't believe it is possible to right a neutral article but I believe the bias' from the source articles are not enough where it could change this article.

Cj3141 (talk) 23:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC) September 17, 2018

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History
@AgisdeSparte: I stand by the removal of the History section; it doesn't actually contain any discussion of historical Christian attitudes towards transgender people, only towards homosexuality, which has its own page. Moriwen (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, even if you disagree with that one, I think my first edit was an unambiguous improvement? Moriwen (talk) 16:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Good morning, I reverted the edit because removing 7500 characters at once is some kind of a red flag. It's best that you use the talk page to see if others agree with your reverted edit. I won't say anything about the background, because I'm not knowledgeable about that at all and I prefer to let you discuss it with the regular contributors to the page.
 * Cordially, AgisdeSparte (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Moriwen AgisdeSparte (talk) 17:02, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Seriously, stop rolling back both edits. If you disagree with that one, roll that one back. Moriwen (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Restructuring -- topics before denominations?
Hi editors, I think it makes sense to revise this so that the general "topics" (clothing, surgery/alteration of bodies, clergy) come before lists of denominational positions. If no one objects in the next week, I'll go ahead with it. It shouldn't affect the content much but I think makes logical sense from a reader's perspective. Eikko (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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