Talk:Christine Blasey Ford/Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2018
The article claims the following: "  Following Justice Anthony Kennedy's retirement from the Supreme Court in June 2018, Ford considered relocating her family to another democracy, such as New Zealand " 'another' seems to imply that the current country she lives in, the United States of America, is a democracy. The USA is a Republic:

Suggest editing to state "relocating her family to a democracy like New Zealand" or "relocating her family to New Zealand".

US CONSTITUTION ARTICLE IV SECTION 4 - Republican Government:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

-rmj (talk) 16:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC) -rmj (talk) 16:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ - The U.S. is both a federal republic and a representative democracy. They are not mutually exclusive. Also, the current content agrees with the cited source: "She went online to research other democracies where her family might settle, including New Zealand." &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  16:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Journal articles
As the article is nominated for GA, and the recent RfC did not result in any consensus with regards to the exact content of the journal articles section, I'd ask: are there any specific objections to the current section with journal articles? It's better to generate consensus before the GA review than during the review. I might do the review myself, but not before consensus is reached on multiple areas in the article that I feel need consensus. w umbolo  ^^^  20:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Support the current list.Casprings (talk) 16:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Only top two, perhaps just one. PackMecEng (talk) 17:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Political intrusion into article
"Again, psychologists who study memory noted that it is not unexpected that this party would not stand out for others who had attended but did not experience an event "particularly worth remembering.” Is it the role of the writer to arbitrate the hearings? Orthotox (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018
Additions to ===Journal articles===(under==Selected Works==)

96.86.37.1 (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018
Addition to ===Book Chapters=== (under ==Selected works==)


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Flying
really seems to want this article to say something about the subject's seemingly inconsistent statements about flying. I don't think it merits inclusion, but I'm opening this section so that WikiHogan654 can seek consensus for the material. - MrX 🖋 00:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The source is about what this means for the nomination, as this was one of the inconsistencies according to Mitchell. It does not belong to the personal life section almost certainly. w umbolo   ^^^  00:45, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * People's disabilities and interests are almost always included in the Personal Life sections. Go to just about any other Wikipedia biography, and you'll see countless mentions of personal habits, preferences, daily routines, etc. I don't see why this shouldn't be included here. I'm not trying to insert inaccurate information. This information is relevant, notable, and accurately cited.WikiHogan654 (talk) 01:00, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, it was not accurately cited. You misrepresented the source. Remember, we just discussed this? Oh yeah, you also wrote in your edit summary "Simply pointing out what a brave person Ford is", which is either trolling or just plain dishonesty, I'm not sure which.- MrX 🖋 01:59, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I've apologized for my mistake, and here's another. If the consensus is that this information does not need to be in the Personal Life section then I will respect that. Thank you all so much for helping me.WikiHogan654 (talk) 02:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * And, MrX, that first comment here on this talk page was before our dicussion on my talk page began. I wasn't ignoring anything.WikiHogan654 (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I think the inconsistent statements about flying belong somewhere in the article. Personal life? I would say more in relation to the Kavanagh controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1CD0:1710:3504:E488:49D:891D (talk) 06:10, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2019
Please consider this request to replace the first paragraph of the Career section with the following to clarify the connection between Stanford and Palo Alto University:

Ford has worked in the academic and private sector as a Biostatistician and Research Psychologist. Since 1998, she has worked as a research psychologist and biostatistician in the Stanford School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry. Since 2011, she is Professor of Psychology in the Stanford-PGSP Consortium for Clinical Psychology, a collaborative program between Palo Alto University and Stanford.

Also, please consider these edits to the second paragraph of the Career section to include her work with the American Statistical Association:

Ford teaches subjects including psychometrics, study methodologies, clinical trials and statistics to doctoral students and serves on dissertation committees. [12][16] She has also performed consulting work for multiple pharmaceutical companies.[17] She formerly worked as a director of biostatistics at Corcept Therapeutics, and as a biostatistical consultant for Titan Phamaceuticals, and Brain Resource. She has collaborated with FDA, academic, and industry statisticians,[13] including leading roundtable discussions at the American Statistical Association’s Annual FDA-Industry meetings that focus on statistical analyses in industry-FDA interactions. 2001:1970:5C20:BB00:FCD7:F24F:6378:7D39 (talk) 21:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * This might be mentioned here in this WSJ article, but I don't have a subscription. w umbolo   ^^^  22:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


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Personal life edit
I changed the wording in the statement that she had moved multiple times, to match the statement made earlier and the actual reference: she says that she had moved. The reference itself did not say more. MikeR613 (talk) 07:18, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

For balance, more arguments against Ford's story should be included.
The article contains several quotes critical of the former prosecutor brought in to question Ford, who said Ford's accusations would not lead to a prosecution, but does not include any of the reasons the prosecutor gave.

I believe some should be included for balance. These could include:

1. Ford could not identify the house where the alleged groping/assaault occurred.

2. None of the people Ford named as present at the party remembered the party or anything like an assault involving Kavanagh.

3. Ford's claims of a lifelong fear of being trapped, such that she could not fly or be in a residence without a way to escape seemed to be refuted by Ford's ex, who said they had been in planes together, and lived in a place where there was only one door. Also, she flew regularly.

I also think the fact Ford got over $800K from her GoFundMe, not that it merely met it's goal of $100K, is worth putting in the article.

I agree with the editor above and wish to add:

A. When she ended her GoFundMe, Ford promised to give money she had not used on expenses related to her accusations against Kavanagh to charity - and to let the public know when she did so - but it's been over 3 years, and there has been no announcement of her giving the money away. I think this should be in the article.

B. In her Senate testimony, Ford claimed she had added a front door to her house to have an escape route, because she had lasting fear of being trapped. But the front door was added to rent her front bedroom out as a therapy office, per media reports. And this can be rapidly confirmed by looking at pictures of the house and seeing the address tied to more than one psychotherapist. ,

It may be worth pointing out, Ford went public and started the GoFundMe immediately, very shortly after FBI agent Peter Strzok started a GoFndMe and raised $450K in a very short time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1CD0:1710:D928:488A:CE03:81BE (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * and What is the intended goal of these additions, the article is already written in WP:NPOV. If you can dig up a  Reliable Source that discusses it more in depth then maybe adding it can be considered. I do have a handful of concerns however:
 * The point about identifying the house, and naming the people involved isn't inherently suspicious since the alleged event occurred 40 years ago, it would be fairly normal for some inconsistency to arise. The flying comment just seems petty to include, unless there is something more substantive to say. Unless you can either quote the hearing directly or someone important stating these inconsistencies were suspicious, including such would be WP:OR. I don't exactly understand your point about the door.
 * Adding that there were two GoFundMe campaigns may be notable enough to include but the article doesn't make any claim that the money went to charity, only that "said that she would donate". Unless there's a source, it would also be WP:OR to say it outright didn't go to charity.
 * Seeing that both accounts are brand new and commented on the same page within one day of each other, I have suspicions of WP:MEATPUPPET. I am not accusing you both of anything per se, but the optics are concerning enough for it to raise some red flags. If this is just a coincidence, I apologize.
 * Please both read WP:OR and WP:POV. Perhaps WP:FRINGE applies here, but its not as outright. I'm not opposed to adding info based off of criticism but unless there are reliable, secondary references, this information as is cannot be added. Either dump your sources in the talk page for community discussion or ping me. Also, please sign your posts, its hard to follow who's speaking. Etriusus 17:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)