Talk:Christmas horror

Genres
"Christmas horror" is a film and television genre that arose after 1974. "Christmas ghost stories" are a genre that goes back into the past, arose from oral traditions, made its way into the literature, had a very brief experiment in the US with Washington Irving, (and later Nathaniel Hawthorne, and Henry James), but only took off as a major literary genre in Victorian England with Dickens (who was a huge fan of Irving). I don't think the literature of this Christmas ghost story tradition is characterized as "Christmas horror". I'm pretty sure you've got two separate topics here, but there's no doubt they intersect with each other. Viriditas (talk) 03:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I felt like there's an overall genre which has included multiple types of media. If the article gets expanded enough, we could spin off Christmas horror film, maybe? Valereee (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll leave the decision to you and others. I think this is one of those situations where if you went back to, let's say 1969, and wrote about "Christmas horror", people wouldn't have any idea what you were talking about.  To me, at least, this sounds like a new idea that's describing older ones in a new context.  I wouldn't call it revisionism, but it does feel historically inaccurate to me. Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, the modern genre doesn't seem to have emerged until the 1970s. But there were precursors to it, which are described in various sources, so that's why I put it into the origins and history section. Are you thinking we should reorganize somehow? Valereee (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I would say, only reorganize if you yourself get that idea from the sources. I see you've got Yuletide Terror: Christmas Horror on Film and Television in the further reading section, but if you take a look at it, particularly its discussion about the history of ghost stories, you may get some ideas.  There's also some interesting sources that talk about different eras:  1) Oral traditions (pre-19th century) 2) Christmas ghost stories in literature (c. 19th-20th century) 3) Christmas television (c. 1950s) 4) Christmas horror in film (c. 1970s).  There's also the larger topic of "British Christmas", of which there are several popular sources, but no actual article on Wikipedia. I think if you look at all those different things it will give you some idea.  Good luck. Viriditas (talk) 22:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Viriditas, I've got it in Further reading because I can't find a copy unless I buy it, which I try to avoid. Do you have access to a copy? Valereee (talk) 19:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Viriditas (talk) 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest wording from it that could be added? Or if you don't want to do that, but could send it (or whatever portion of it is relevant) to me in some form, I'd quite like to read it. My email is enabled on my user. Valereee (talk) 20:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I will send you an email. Viriditas (talk) 20:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Email sent. Viriditas (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)