Talk:Christmas in Sweden

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The result of the move request was: Moved the first three. The Weihnachten one is not so straightforward, as it sounds like a split is being proposed. Will not move that one, and suggest treating that one individually as per Sam Sailor. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:00, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Jul (Sweden) → Christmas in Sweden – The article about ice hockey in Sweden, for example, isn't called "ishockey i Sverige". Jul is Swedish for Christmas. Do the same with: J 1982 (talk) 13:02, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Jul (Denmark) to Christmas in Denmark
 * 2) Jul (Norway) to Christmas in Norway
 * 3) Jól (Iceland) to Christmas in Iceland
 * 4) Weihnachten to Christmas in Austria, Christmas in Germany, Christmas in Liechtenstein, Christmas in Switzerland and whatever

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 * Support move of the four Nordic articles to Christmas in in line with other articles in Category:Christmas traditions by country, e.g. Christmas in Australia and New Zealand, Christmas in Hawaii, Christmas in Hungary, Christmas in Indonesia, Christmas in Ireland etc. A move of Weihnachten to Christmas in Germany could be logical for the same reason, but I suggest a discussion is started on Talk:Weihnachten to get more opinions. Sam Sailor 11:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


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Jul is not Christmas.
I think you should be very careful about using Christmas as a synonym for Jul. Jul is virtually devoid of Christian trappings.

You do not describe the American Halloween as the American All Saints' Day. "Halloween" is a Christian or Catholic holiday that the American Puritans rejected (just as they did the un-Christian tradition of Christmas) and now is seen as a secular or pagan holiday.

Why not use the same standard for Jul?

Also, the last sentence "Many Swedes who don't regularly go to church do visit the service on Advent Sunday, the Midnight Mass on December 24 or the early morning Christmas Day service (Julotta)." has to be one of the most weasely things on Wikipedia. 10% of the population go to Advent Sunday. (http://www.dagen.se/dokument/advent-lockar-var-tionde-till-kyrkan-1.102104) I don't have any figures, but that may be 10 times as many as those who go to Midnight Mass and Christmas Day services. The weasely part is that 10-20%, at most, constitutes many. It should rather say, a small portion of the population in Sweden go to Church during Jul, of which the majority go to Advent mass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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