Talk:Christogram

Pagan Origin
I heard there was a pagan ritual before the Catholic Mass where a round disk wafer with "IHS" on it was eaten as "food for the soul". At this time IHS stood for an Egyptian Sun god trinity, Isis, Horus, and Seb. I'll need to find some more information about this. It should not be considered "anti-Catholic" to research into the origins of the rites and symbols of the Roman Catholic church. It should be common knowlege that the secret to Rome's success was her way of ecumenically absorbing the cultures and religious practices the nations she came in contact with. Rush4hire 08:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but that's straight-up Jack Chick propaganda, which no real scholar takes at all seriously... AnonMoos 18:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Definately... Why would the english names for those three gods be represented on the wafer? :) Beetlecat 00:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

It's already written that IHS in Catholic churches is from (Greek form of) name of Jesus, and thus it's been pointed out (in the Maryknoll Catholic dictionary of 1965 or so) that it does NOT take periods after each letter, and also that it's only fanciful to interpret that IHS as "I Have Suffered", "Iesus Hominem Savior", etc.

I just noticed a similar thing (effectively putting in periods) happening with sic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 18:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

INRI
I wonder if mention of "INRI" is appropriate here. This is an abbreviation of the Latin or (transliterated) Greek for "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews", the title the New Testament says Pontius Pilate had (mockingly?) posted on the cross where Jesus was crucified. --Haruo (talk) 07:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's an acronym of an extended title, much the same as Ichthys... AnonMoos (talk) 08:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

And we do have the Gospel story (Gospel of John?) about Pontius Pilate having "King of the Jews" inscription written. (That story went on to say that religious leaders of that time protested, saying he should have written something like "this man CLAIMED to be King of the Jews", with Pilate responding "What I have written, I have written".) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 18:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Etymology
I've edited and added dubious&not in citation tags. As I've already said in the relevant edit summary, it seems to me that Christogram is probably a neologism (the Merriam-Webster source seems to concur on this). Anyone interested in this subject from the perspective of Chrismon's etymology see here. Thanatos|talk|contributions 21:28, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

IHC, IHS
Acronym or abbreviation,Christogram or not, the letters are still being affixed to the covers of bibles and prayer-books in painted leather, or as ivory gothic decorations, with no consensus regarding their meaning. Current theories include (some rather preposterous) a growing number of alternatives: 1. I Have Suffered 2. Isis, Horus, Seb 3. In His Service 4. In Hoc Signe [the cross] [Vinces], with the last word derived from a fanciful 'V' formed by three nails. 5. Iesus H Christ (thereby giving Jesus a 'surname' seldom if ever used in His lifetime, and an unsupplied American-style middle name (Noel Streetfield tells of her thinking till aged ten that God's real name was Harold Wichart. From having had at school to gabble "Our Father Wichart in Heaven, Harold be Thy name" every morning). And more plausibly, but with no more evidence: 6. Iesu Hominem Salvator 7. The Greek iota, eta, sigma as the first three letters of Iesus.

In view of the fact that this sacred inscription is even more common than Alpha Omega in most modern churches, on lecterns, altar cloths etc, one might expect its meaning to be certain. It appears in fact that no-one knows its meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.122.52 (talk) 22:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Dumb edit summary mistake explanation
S/b "merged content from Chrismon". Sorry for the confusion.  Deus vult!  Crusadestudent (talk) 14:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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