Talk:Chrysler Town & Country (minivan)

Merge
There is no purpose of this article as it stands. In my opinion, "Chrysler Town and Country" should be a disambiguation page discussing the various vehicles using this name (not just the modern minivan), and all minivan content should be merged with Dodge Caravan. There are not sufficient differences between these vehicles to justify all this duplicate text. --SFoskett 14:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, not all Chrysler Group minivans should be merged with the Dodge Caravan article. Previously there was a "Chrysler minivans" article, and the content was later split up (after a discussion, I believe) into the separate articles. Leave them alone and let the articles develop. Think about the international differences also. - Slo-mo 03:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Slo-mo, they are separate cars, yes they are similar in many ways but they are different in many ways. - Bavaria 19:35, 11 Febuary 2006 (UTC)

There is really no need for a merger. If you remember there was a merged article before but it got so long it was hardly legible. If you haven't noticed yet the articles are beginning to go their separate ways and if you merge them now all progress will be lost. 24.63.10.62 19:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC) Note:This comment was also made by User:Bavaria

Leave the Voyager, Town and Country, and Caravan separate! Note:This comment was also made by User:Bavaria


 * As mentioned above, these articles were recently re-split after a discussion. Merging them would just create a bigger problem. Admittedly, these articles are for the time being very similar, however that is only because not enough time has been allowed to let them develop. When I split them, I didn't add any brand-specific info, but only made minor changes to have the articles make sense. Just give it some time. Please see Talk:Chrysler minivans for the previous discussion. Airline 00:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

leave them apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Newestguy1 (talk &bull; contribs).

i just wanted to note that not only would it be long, it would just look like you stacked the the articles on top of each other, making the merger rerundant. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.180.180 (talk &bull; contribs).

I think the merge is not a good idea. If the vehicles were somehow related in any way other than name and the fact that some of them were woodys, then it would make sense. In this case it doesn't. Bcirker 15:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

See, I suggested the merger because "pre-1990" sounds a bit awkward. The name was used much longer before it became a minivan. --Jnelson09 16:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Images
The Second and Third Generation Images could be improved. The Second gen. is a rear image that is not of great quality, and the third gen. is a Dodge Caravan not a Town and Country. I agree with 24.63.10.62 that there should be better images. Bavaria 12:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Town & Controversial
Uhh, if the name was used on several Mopars, why aren't they on this page?

Also, I changed "Town & Countries" to "Town & Countrys", because it's a name, so "-ys" is correct. (See Talk:Lend-Lease Sherman tanks for debate on why not...) Trekphiler 04:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This page is dedicated to the minivan Jon the dodgeboy 06:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Town/Country?
I remember somewhere that the Town trim was a sedan on old Chrysler vehicles, and the Country trim was a station wagon, or something to that effect. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?  Zchris87v  20:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a memory blending. The Chrysler Town & Country was offered only as a "Town & Country" see Chrysler Town & Country (1941–1988) There was a Lincoln "Town Car" and a Ford "Country Squire". PolychromePlatypus 13:58, 26 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PolychromePlatypus (talk • contribs)

Where I Got The '08 Pic
The pic where I got it from was atop a truck that was driving. It was NOT at the car dealership! -- Bull-Doser 15:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Article Organization
The article info boxes refer to "generations," but the article sections refer to years. This seems unhelpful to the reader. 842U (talk) 13:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Problems and Issues
This article should have a section about third generation Chrysler minivans lacking the brake-shift interlock feature that it was possible to shift gears without stepping on the brakes (required in most automatic transmission automobiles) or when the engine was not running; which many families with younger children who left young children in the car would allow children to mess with the gearshift inside the car, which the car moved uncontrollably and could possibly run over people, and that many families sent reports to Chrysler about those minivans lacking the brake-shift interlock feature. --PJ Pete 17:30, 19 August 2009

The preceding assertion that 3rd generation Chrysler Minivans did not have a brake-shift interlock is incorrect. It is part of the steering column lock assembly P/N 04690523. There is a solenoid in the steering column lock assembly that is energized, by closing the switch on the brake pedal, to release the PRNDL gear selector level from Park. There is also a mechanical interlock that requires the key to be in the ignition and for the ignition switch to be rotated to "run". When the key is turned to run the more robust purely mechanical part of the interlock is disengaged, and the solenoid interlock can be broken by repeatedly applying pressure to the gear selector lever before stepping on the brake. The solenoid interlock can become blocked by debris and prevent the gear selector lever from being moved from Park. An adult with sufficient strength can break the solenoid interlock by forcing the gear selector out of park in a single motion. If fuse #2 (a 10A fuse) is removed from the junction block near the foot pedals (or cable is removed from the battery) the interlock solenoid should be disabled and the gear selector can't be moved from Park without applying sufficient force to break the interlock. If it does move, the interlock should be replaced. (ref: NS/GS service manual wiring diagram page 8W-31-5) It isn't necessary to start the engine to check this, but the key must be in the run position. PolychromePlatypus 15:07, 26 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PolychromePlatypus (talk • contribs)

Name change
The article itself says that the car's name is officially written with an ampersand like this: Town & Country. Therefore, I believe the article should be moved to Chrysler Town & Country. Does anyone else support this move? —Reelcheeper (talk) 02:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS states "use and instead of an ampersand (&), unless the ampersand is an accepted part of a name (Emerson, Lake & Palmer)." Since the & is an accepted part of the name, yes, it should be changed to Chrysler Town & Country. --Vossanova o&lt; 15:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes on the move. The manufacturer names them Town & Country, not Town and Country. CZmarlin (talk) 15:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Page has been moved, all instances of "Town and Country" changed to "Town & Country" (except for image names and foreign Wiki pages). --Vossanova o&lt; 17:41, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Improve top photo
The photo of the older model van in the main infobox, while complying with most of WP:CARPIX suffers from poor contrast against a busy residential background. This looks like a brochure photo where the car color chosen was poorly thought through. The photo in the current generation infobox is of higher resolution and has excellent contrast with its dark and uncluttered background (5th criteria in WP:CARPIX). The increased visibility of interior components, while not on par with the EV, which is the best photo here, is an added positive. Proposed: replace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2001-04_Chrysler_Town_and_Country_LXi.jpg with the superior photo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2008_Chrysler_Town_%26_Country_LX.jpg --Rwberndt (talk) 15:08, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Could someone specify what model the one in the photo is?
Hi. It's a bit confusing as to what model is being displayed in the first photo at the top of the page.

If someone could clarify that, it would be great.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.91.57 (talk) 17:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

1989 model does exist?
This is official Chrysler material and was found for sale on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-Chrysler-Town-Country-Van-Original-1-page-Sales-Brochure-Card-/311318219340?hash=item487c030a4c&vxp=mtr So doesn't that mean that the T&C minivan was originally introduced as a 1989? The 3.0 engine is mentioned on this card too, while all of the 1990 ones mention a 3.3 engine 206.116.146.242 (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

The T&C was produced in 1989 as an early introduction of a 1990 model to compete with high end models of Ford and GM minivans. Examples produced prior to June 1989 when the 150HP 3.3L motor became available were delivered with the 142HP 3.0L Mitsubishi motor. Whether a sales brochure creates a "1989 model year" or the model year is controlled by the VIN digits designating the vehicle model year for vehicle registration purposes is an interesting question, but the underlying design wasn't updated for 1990. see [|Chrysler minivans (S)] PolychromePlatypus 15:46, 26 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PolychromePlatypus (talk • contribs)

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Merging the Chrysler minivan articles
Every different model of Chrysler minivan has it's own article, even when the only differences between the two is just trim and options, each with their content forked from each other with varying quality. I proposed last year that all these articles be merged into a central article named Chrysler minivans with a specific article for each generation, which I created. However my efforts were blocked and reverted, so in the end, the minivans just now have even more redundant articles! I created a request for merge on the Dodge Caravan page which has gained unanimous support. Here is what I propose: 1. Chrysler minivans being the parent article to offshoot articles for each generation: Chrysler minivans (S), Chrysler minivans (AS), Chrysler minivans (NS), Chrysler minivans (RS), Chrysler minivans (RT) and Chrysler Pacifica (RU). The Pacifica article can be named "Pacifica" since that's the only name it's sold under worldwide. 2. Dodge Caravan and Chrysler Voyager will be merged into the Chrysler minivans article. 3. Chrysler Town & Country (1941–1988) should be moved to just "Chrysler Town & Country", and that article's minivan content should be condensed into a section that links to the Chrysler minivans article. 4. Plymouth Voyager should be reduced to a short disambiguation article noting the the Plymouth Voyager nameplate has been both used as a full size van that is a rebadged Dodge Tradesman, which links to the Tradesman article, and then links to the generation of Chrysler minivans which were sold as the Plymouth Voyager: Chrysler minivans (S), Chrysler minivans (AS) and Chrysler minivans (NS). 5. Volkswagen Routan is merged into Chrysler minivans (RT), which already has a dedicated section to the Routan which is most of the main Routan's article content forked and condensed. 6. Lancia Voyager is merged into Chrysler minivans (RT). 7. Chrysler TEVan is merged into Chrysler minivans (AS).

All of these article's non-redundant content has already been collected into the articles about the respective generations. All we really have to do is merge them together. Reattacollector (talk) 23:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * What's changed from the previous 2006 discussion, other than in the past year you've created a bunch of new pages in the Chrysler minivans (xx) format that duplicate other pages? I vote to leave the pages as Chrysler Town & Country, Chrysler Voyager, and Dodge Caravan.  Then merge the Chrysler minivans (xx) pages into the three van articles. Look at other manufacturers, such as the Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator, while the vehicles base are the same, they have many different options and trim, and have their own articles.  The same happens here, and each vehicle should remain its own article. David (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The differences between the various K-car derived Chrysler Corporation Minivans were somewhat more significant than "trim and (interior) options" but are no longer well delineated by the dealer brands. A change to the dealer structure during bankruptcy (around 2008?) favor regional mega-dealers eliminated all brand focused dealers that didn't carry all Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ram models and required a large new car inventory space. The changes in Chrysler imposed by foreign owners seeking information on how to build larger vehicles and V-8 engines (Daimler-Benz) vulture capitalists (bankruptcy), and a dealer network for cars with limited consumer appeal in North America (Fiat); gradually eliminated brand differences. I'd say there's every reason to merge the 2008 and later models.


 * For the first 4 versions, S, AS, NS, RS, there were larger variations. There were visible brand differences in headlights, tail lights, body cladding, available options and interiors; but there were also invisible brand differences in the construction of the body, doors, and panels, that change the stiffness, the feel of the ride, and the interior noise levels. Most of the non-visible differences are body construction differences that don't have part numbers.


 * If you differentiate by component part numbers, there were 3 distinct sets of parts used to make 4 distinct minivans in any given model year, a 4 cylinder short wheelbase FWD, a V-6 short wheelbase FWD, a V-6 long wheelbase FWD, and a V-6 long wheelbase AWD. In any model year a 113" wheelbase Plymouth Voyager 2.4L 4 cylinder FWD minivan shares about 30% of the sheet metal and glass with a 119" wheelbase Chrysler Town & Country 3.8L AWD minivan, but none of the drivetrain, steering, brakes, suspension, electrical parts, etc. There were substantially 3 significant sets of replaceable parts but more correspond more to powerplant, drivetrain, and wheelbase, and fewer to brand differences.


 * The sales results typify the most costly vehicles as Chrysler Town & Country, midrange as Dodge Caravan and Grand Caravan, and most economically priced as Plymouth Voyager. The typical sales re-associates the part number differences with the brands despite the overlaps. It would be needlessly confusing to readers to explain and unravel the shifting kaleidoscope of Chrysler marketing badges as they relate to the 3 distinct sets of components or the 4 resulting minivans, it wouldn't reduce the article count, and it wouldn't improve the accessibility of information.


 * To summarize, there's a better argument for collapsing the articles for 2008 and later models, than for earlier models. After that point there are no distinct dealer networks or vehicle construction differences. Merging earlier models because they look visually similar is fundamentally no better reasoned than also merging the article for the Ford Windstar and 3rd generation Chrysler minivans, or the articles for cat's eye marbles and ceramic ball bearings for that matter. There is a lot of redundant content, which is true of Wikipedia in general. The articles won't improve if merged, and will tend to become a long catalog of differences between examples.PolychromePlatypus 18:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PolychromePlatypus (talk • contribs)