Talk:Chrystie Street Connection

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"It was the first actual integration of BMT and IND lines after the unification of all major lines under New York City municipal ownership in 1940." I don't think this is correct. The IND connected to the BMT's Culver Line between Church and Ditmas in 1954. That is an actual integration, no? The Interloafer (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not quite. The Culver line was reclassified as IND after that time because the BMT connection to the west was severed. The signals were renumbered too. It's signals used to be a part of BMT C but now is IND B. It wasn't integration because the BMT was removed and the IND replaced service there. Same thing with the IND's recapture of the BMT Fulton St elevated east of Euclid Ave in 1956. BMT was removed and IND took over.


 * Another previous connection was the 60th Street Tunnel Connection to the Queens Blvd line. That was via trackage rights. The BMT operated their own equipment and crews on the IND Queens Blvd line. The Chrystie St Connection by comparison allowed through routing of the 6th Ave Express to the BMT South, which integrated with existing BMT South service using shared rolling stock and shared crews. Today, both the Brighton and West End lines have IND and BMT services on them; IND B and D, BMT Q and M.


 * A future integration of BMT and IND is being built right now; the Second Avenue Subway. It's part of the IND, but will open with BMT service (Q). Once phase 3 opens with T service, it will have both IND and BMT service. Acps110 (talk) 19:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Improvement of location description needed
This is a crucial connection. Yet the geometric design at the upper right of the page does not suffice for description of the line's route.

The opening paragraph speaks to its importance but it does not speak to whether it travels east-west (is it the east-west line below Houston street between Broadway and Essex Street) or north-south (the train route between Houston Street and Canal Street).

This article could benefit from the inclusion of a map of the train route set against a regional map. There is precedence for this. Note this example of map, used for the Rockaways H line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYCS_map_S_Rockaway.svg .Dogru144 (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I second Dogru144's concern -- the diagram at the top is completely incomprehensible. What subway line/route/service/something-comprehensible-to-the-layman-who-only-understands-street-names-and-lettered-trains does each line on the diagram represent?  What north-south streets do the vertical lines run under?  What intersection or stop is each of the dots?


 * Even as a native NYer, daily subway rider (on the lines [services? I don't know the difference.] mentioned), and experienced subway navigator, I can't make heads or tails of any of it. The idea of highlighting it on a map of the subway system has a great deal of merit.


 * I think a good diagram would go a LONG way towards clarifying confusions of the sort described in the discussion below, too. -- Avocado (talk) 22:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Why are improvements being removed?
I corrected the above problems of poor context of the opening of the article, which lacked any note as to geographical direction of line or of the lettered lines. This is what another editor is removing without adequate explanation:

The Chrystie Street Connection is a major connecting line of the New York City Subway, it runs north-south under Chrystie Street from Houston Street to Canal Street. It is one of the few connections between lines of the (former) BMT and IND divisions. Currently, the B and the D lines run along this line. To date the Chrystie Street Connection's two parts are the only part of the long-planned Second Avenue Subway to be completed and opened to service. As a road, Chrystie Street extends northward beyond Houston Street to become Manhattan's Second Avenue.

The editor removed this improvement, adding the comment that there are two lines running there. Yes, that is something that I put into the opening of the article.Dogru144 (talk) 21:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * First, you seem to be confused about the difference between a line and a service. A line is the physical structure and a service is the train that operates over that structure. The two lines I was referring are the Express tracks that run to Grand Street, and the split from the Local tracks that continues to Essex Street. In effect it is two lines that head in different directions. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 17 September 2011 (UTC)