Talk:Chuck Smith (pastor)/Archive 1

Ray Comfort?
Because of Calvary Chapel, the increasingly popular ministry of Ray Comfort (founder and host of The Way of the Master television show and Living Waters Publications) was able to find a home in the United States from New Zealand. I removed the paragraph because it has no link to Chuck directly and because it is not substantiated. --Walter Görlitz 19:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
I heavily edited the article and also removed a number of factual errors. The article really needs to be rewritten. If someone wants to do this properly, I recommend the following as it is the only source I know of: http://www.calvarychapel.com/?show=Resources.ExtendedHistory. --Basar 03:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

-

I edited the fourth paragraph to change the tone from "many" to "some" as the number is certainly subjective. Personally, I'm not sure if the paragraph belongs here. At least it could be written much more objectively. --Matt 07:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Lonnie Frisbee
To tell the complete story of the early days of calvary chapel. One would be remiss if Lonnie Frisbee was not included. Chuck Smith at Lonnies funeral acknowleged Lonnie's importance in the movement back then. Chuck recently published a bible with his commentary dedicated in Lonnies memory. Chuck Smith Jr. acknowleged Lonnies key role in the movement in an interview by David D. Sabitino at www.lonniefrisbee.com Lonnie was written out of calvary's history when he left. The stigma of Lonnie dying of AIDS, and the hard feelings of Lonnie departure could have been the reason. Eitherway to be accurate and truthful about the calvary chapel movement and its genesis. Lonnie must be written back into its history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Researchgate (talk • contribs) 21:07, April 27, 2006.


 * Ya, I agree. How do you think we should go about doing this? Are there any references available? --Basar 05:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I knew Lonnie personally towards the last 3 years of his life. And some of my best friends have known him since the late 60's early 70's. So I can personally attest to the many discussions about calvary and the early days he ministered there. And even ministered with Lonnie in Fresno 2 years or so before he passed. Im also really good friends with Paul Cain as well. Chuck and Paul used to be close as well. So much so they even planted a bean field together in AZ and used to go fishing. Chuck first hand can attest to Pauls ministry of the prophetic and healing as being authentic. Hope that helps... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.135.190.165 (talk • contribs).


 * Your personal experience with them is valuable, and you could be a valuable contributor to articles that need information about them; however, writing articles with information from your own experience isn't allowed by Wikipedia policy. This is done for the good of the encyclopedia to ensure it is accurate and fair. The summary of WP:V is this: "Information on Wikipedia must be reliable. Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed." If you can find reputable and published sources that verify what you know about them, your contributions would be appreciated. Regarding Smith's relationship with people before he started Calvary Chapel, like Cain, Smith has written a book called Charisma vs. Charismania where he seems he denounces much of his Pentecostal background as well as the experiences he had then. You might be interested in reading it; it is a fairly interesting read. --Basar 02:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Any facts I have laid out can be verfied by going to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa yourself on a Sunday. Because after each service Chuck Smith goes outside and greets the people as they leave the service. So if you wish to take issue with me on these facts I encourage you to do so. And you can ask Chuck yourself, since your trying to apply the legalism aspects here at Wikipedia as your defense.

So having said that some of the facts I have cited can also be verifed by the documentary at www.lonniefrisbee.com

Chuck Smiths new bible commentary mentions Lonnie as one of the people he dedicated it too.

Here is my video that I have uploaded on the internet. Its not published and not professionally done. I wonder because according to your measuring rod it might not be good enough. But Chuck does honor Lonnie and calls Lonnie even his own "son". It was Lonnie who made it on the cover of Time magazine not Chuck. Which is evidence to Lonnie's visibility as one of this movments key leaders.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5904960697485300854

Here is another video of mine that I uploaded with Lonnie ministering at Tom Stipes church a Calvary Chapel.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6833129779160574833

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.127.183.45 (talk • contribs).


 * Just trying to help you understand the way Wikipedia works. --Basar 18:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

HELLO

Just wanted to be sure you all remembered that Chuck SMith is just a man. Also it is Jesus and not Chuck that was at work here. That includes Lonnie Frisbee. Chuck is a nice guy, I like him, I do not deny that or that he is saved, but relax. It is like the cult of Personality with you people. Also, remember there are those that are fundamentalists who oppose Chuck's never coming out explicitly and supporting the doctrine of 'once saved always saved". He does imply that one can lose their salvation.  This is evident in Calvary Chaoel churches that emphasize "what will you be doing when Christ retunrs?"  What differnece does it make if you are saved?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.200.82 (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When Christ returns? The Bible said he would return before some of his disciples died. Unless there are some 2,000+ year old people wandering around, it was wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.243.160 (talk) 04:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

End of times discussion from Chuck Smith
I added the following, with sources from his book. In support of Biographies_of_living_persons I have presented Neutral point of view (uses Chuck Smith's words where possible, although condensed from the original books), Verifiability (using mostly Chuck Smith's own books and audio sources), and No Original Research (none of my own ideas).


 * In 1978, Chuck Smith presented to his followers that he believed that "man has come to the end of his time." Smith identified that if he understood scriptures correctly, he was convinced Jesus would come to snatch away His followers before the end of 1981, and that Smith's plans revolved around that date.    In 1996, during Smith's radio broadcast, Smith told a caller that he had never set a date, although his published books suggest otherwise.

Added the following with audio recording of Smith:


 * During a radio broadcast in 1996, Smith was asked, "[at] some point there was a prediction of Christ's return through Calvary Chapel. Is that real? ... Did that happen?"  Smith responded, "No... never, we all, we do believe he is going to return soon ... never any date, no, never any date, because no man knows the day or the hour."

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sliceofmiami (talk • contribs)
 * From http://calvarychapel.pbworks.com/1981, it looks like he proposed several different possible dates in that one book. I don't know that from this you can conclude he was actually setting a date as opposed to just throwing some possibilities out there.  I have listened to a good chunk of his through the bible series - I think it was http://www.twft.com/?page=c2000 though it could have been a different one.  It was recorded around this same time ... on a number of occasions, he refers to Carter as being President.  Several times, he said something to the effect of, "we don't know when Christ is going to return - it could be far in the future - maybe even as far off as the year 2000".  Now that the year 2000 is in the past, we think that's funny, but to Chuck at the time, it was just some time arbitrarily far in the future. --B (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Family section
I'm don't think the fact that his granddaughter and her husband own a tattoo parlor is relevant to the article. I will be removing it. Discuss here if you disagree. JBFrenchhorn (talk) 01:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

notable
Hi, under what wiki guidelines is this person claiming to be notable? Off2riorob (talk) 22:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Chuck Smith is the leader of the "original" Calvary Chapel church, in Costa Mesa, CA. It has about a thousand offsprings in the United States, two of the three largest non-Roman Catholic churches in California are Calvary Chapels. There are at least a few hundred other Calvary Chapel affiliated churches around the world, I live in Hungary, only here there are 25+. And he is written about or mentioned (L.A. Times, Time Magazine), sometimes he appears on television and radio, and those are among the basic notability guidelines for people. Sorry for not citing my sources properly, but the status quo requires that you prove this person is not notable.F451 (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it is the other way around - notability requires assertion, but thanks for the details anyway. Off2riorob (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, I just had to look smart =) Thnx F451 (talk) 23:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Primary tag
Please explain your purpose here. Yes, it is a primary source, but it seems more than adequate for the statement it supports. Do you doubt that the three people cited were mentored by Smith? Do you doubt that they are ministers? Do you doubt that they are notable (they do in fact have WP pages)? Seriously, what is your objection? --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 05:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As per WP:PRIMARY, it seems fine as well. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a subjective, and rather self-glorifying, claim -- better left to a neutral third party. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Date of Birth?
I am seeing conflicting sources (none of them particularly reliable) showing the date of birth as being either June 18, 1927 or June 25, 1927. The evidence for the 25th looks somewhat stronger, but does anyone have a reliable source we can cite to make sure we have the right date? --Guy Macon (talk) 04:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a book's dust sleeve holds the answer. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Finances
What was Chuck Smith's net worth when he passed away? Anything about Chuck Smith's net worth would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.4.239 (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Funeral or what else
If a funeral is "a ceremony or group of ceremonies held in connection with the burial or cremation of a dead person." (American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language), how may it happen after Smith was buried, as stated in "Personal life" chapter? Also why "His" (capitalized) instead of "his"? Carlotm (talk) 20:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Funerals are equally held before or after burials so the word "in connection" does not mean it has to be IMMEDIATELY proceeding or after. I think Chuck's funeral should really be termed a "eulogy", but that's just my opinion and the article uses the term they used.
 * I fixed the incorrect cap. I think the "After he was buried" portion was tacked onto an existing sentence and the editor simply neglected to fix the word. Ckruschke (talk) 19:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke