Talk:Chuck Taylor All-Stars/Archives/2013

Removal Proposal & Possible Disputed Content
I would to propose to remove the entire following:


 * "Today the shoes are very popularly worn by children, teenagers, and young adults of both sexes. The shoes are available in several core colors, seasonal colors, and a variety of print styles. Zachary Levi currently wears black Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars as the title character in NBC's action comedy television series, Chuck. Both Peter Davison and David Tennant wore them as part of their respective costumes for the titular character in Doctor Who. Dr. House, title character of the show House, has worn black All Stars in multiple episodes. Jamie Hyneman of MythBusters wears a pair of red All Stars in most/all episodes. American Idol season 9 contestant Lee DeWyze often wears black All-Stars (Unknown whether Low- or High-Top). Selena Gomez star of Disney's Wizards of Waverly Place has stated that she loves Converse and has been seen wearing them, Ellen DeGeneres gave her a pair of white Low-Tops when the actress went to her show. Ned Bigby of the Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide has been seen wearing them in all episodes. All the iCarly stars wear them in many colors. The actress Alexis Bledel from Gilmore Girls wears them as well."

My reasoning for this removal is because it reads like an advertisement. It adds no value to the article other then to benefit the actors/models people who supposedly wear the shoes and the corporation who make the shoes. Phearson (talk) 23:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Mitjak (talk) 04:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)Absolutely. There are no sources and a whole lot of marketing talk. The current "Fashion" section reads exactly the same, and carries very little factual information, e.g.: "Consumers love the idea of making Converse All Stars personal and special; a reflection of who they are."

Alternative Proposal
Other sections of the article have been also place under scrutiny for more or less the same reason. Some paragraphs seem out of place and would either do better in another part of the article-- or not at all. An Alternative proposal would be to rewrite the entire article so it reads in a neutral fashion and without mention of non-historical stuff (iCarly, recent bands, parodys etc.) Phearson (talk) 23:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest narrowing the focus from a list of every actor or character who's been seen wearing Chuck Taylor All-Stars to those who are either highly visible or known for wearing this distinctive footwear. I had noticed David Tennant generally wearing these shoes in Doctor Who, although a search for images of his predecessor, Peter Davison, wearing them was inconclusive.  I couldn't tell if he was wearing Chuck Taylors or some other sort of white sneakers.  I saw one picture of Jamie Hyneman of Mythbusters wearing Chuck Taylors, but in the other pictures I found he was wearing other shoes, so I don't know if it's fair to say that he generally wears them.  I can't vouch for any of the others listed.


 * I suppose a single sentence mentioning 4-5 of the more famous persons spotted wearing Chuck Taylors wouldn't be out of place, as long as it's not too detailed ("other celebrities spotted wearing Chuck Taylors include Ellen DeGeneres, Blah Blahskowitz, John J. Jingleheimerschmidt," etc.). But as the shoes were a distinctive characteristic of David Tennant's Doctor, I think that could be kept as a separate sentence. P Aculeius (talk) 18:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree with adding Tennant as a separate sentence. Seems to be icing on the cake. I will start making major edits either tomorrow or later. Anything else? Phearson (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * if it's reasonable to have the comment about the star of "Chuck" wearing the shoes, then it's also reasonable to have the comment about the Tenth Doctor wearing them. in both cases, it was a consistent theme along the various story arcs. In the case of The Doctor, I've also added a link to one of the main websites, where his wearing of the Chuck Taylors was specifically mentioned as part of the costuming.

DocKrin (talk) 02:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But what has the Doctor done to them? Its about the shoe, not the Sci-fi Godlike creature. Phearson (talk) 20:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

No more celebraties[sic] please
Instead of naming individual people, I have listed them generally as "Celebrities" under the popular section. This is done to prevent WP:ADVERT and WP:WIKIPUFFERY. Phearson (talk) 03:26, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced too long
This article has been unreferenced for too long. I'm thinking about removing much of it with the lead remaining since I don't think it needs to go as far as AfD. Phearson (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Big Cut
As you have probably have noticed. I have pretty much cut nearly everything due to ref issues. But I like see this expanded a bit more. So please, do contribute! Phearson (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No time to tackle it myself at the moment, but it looks like a lot of the cut information can be resurrected by citing the Converse "About" page. jSarek (talk) 12:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Mostly Harmless
I came here looking for cultural/media history, but you guys have cut all that out leaving 2 sentences which basically say 'these shoes exist'. Very informative I don't think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.24.113 (talk) 15:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You can edit in that sort of content, provided there is a Reliable source. Phearson (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources where added but even with that it got erased... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.55.163.36 (talk) 13:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Dispute regarding (CTAS) as "fashion".
Before getting into an edit war and reverting something that I already reverted and had re-reverted, I'd like to give an explanation regarding my revert.

Looking at the Wikipedia article for backing my view of it...

"Fashion is a general term for a popular style or practice, especially in clothing, footwear, accessories, makeup, body piercing, or furniture. Fashion refers to a distinctive and often habitual trend in the style with which a person dresses, as well as to prevailing styles in behaviour. Fashion also refers to the newest creations of textile designers. The more technical term, costume, has become so linked to the term "fashion" that the use of the former has been relegated to special senses like fancy dress or masquerade wear, while "fashion" means clothing more generally and the study of it. Although aspects of fashion can be feminine or masculine, some trends are androgynous."

The way I've always understood, the Chuck Taylor All Star was intended as a utilitarian shoe to allow users better traction on a basketball court during games and during practice.

The Chuck Taylor All Star was never intended to be used as footwear to wear casually, since its primary function was utlilitarian in nature. Comparing this to the fashion of that time period is a bit of a stretch, but I'm seeing the impression that it is not a habitual trend in style, but a tool to do an activity better.

Only during the 1950's did the CTAS begin being used as fashion or "popular culture", two terms that I believe, go hand in hand.

Ideas if the revert of my revert back to the listing of it as 1910 and 1920's fashion was correct?

--Allamericanbear (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)