Talk:Chun Doo-hwan

Pardon
Since he recieved a presidential pardon, shouldn't he be removed from the South_Korean_criminals catagory? Is a presidential pardon powerful enough to remove someone from online criminal databases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.121.144.176 (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If Slobodan Milosevic or Saddam Hussein had received pardons, would that erase the horrible things they did or approved of?- 129.21.142.201 (talk) 12:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Be bold, name change
I've changed the main page of this person from "Chun Doo-hwan" to "Jeon Du-hwan" in keeping with Naming_conventions_(Korean) while referencing. This brings the spelling in line with other accepted name spellings. I have edited references to Chun Doo-hwan in the article to read Jeon Du-hwan, as well. FFLaguna (talk) 05:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Chun Doo-hwan is his real name. Look at the photos and the article on Gwangju and the Burmese attempt. Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 11:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * His real name is 전두환 . How to transcribe it into the Roman alphabet is a matter to be decided. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Those pages are like that because the change has not spread through all of Wikipedia yet. FFLaguna (talk) 23:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we should move the article back to the original name, as that name is better known to the English-speaking world at large. Kiteinthewind  Leave a message!
 * The name Jeon-Doo-Hwan sounds like his name in Korean more (I speak Korean very well)Miner1212 (talk) 00:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC))

Requested move (Archived Discussion)

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was moved to Chun Doo-hwan. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Chun Du-hwan → Chun Doo-hwan &mdash; per WP:NC(CN). After numerous undiscussed moves of this page, it is now at a bastardised title which is neither the systematic romanisation of the name (which would be Jeon Du-hwan) nor the common name in English. The spelling "Chun Doo-hwan" has more than a hundred times as many GHits as any other spelling. cab (talk) 22:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Even Naming conventions (Korean) stats: "Personal, organization, and company names should generally be romanized according to the nameholder's preference, or if it cannot be determined, established English spelling." Either or both of these are "Chun Doo-hwan".
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Translation from Korean (31 OCT 09)
I am very interested in Jeon Du-hwan, and in addition to changing the name spelling, I am in the process of translating the Korean page into English. There is a significant amount of information that has been left out of the English page and I want to see this very important article brought to its fullest. FFLaguna (talk) 05:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Translation status: 15% and rising! I'm doing my edits in Word for now, and I'll end up rewriting the entire article by the end of this. Let's make this into an excellent article! FFLaguna (talk) 23:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to make any changes to the English or Korean versions of this page, but I would refrain from making any sweeping structure/organization changes for a couple days until the article is completely rewritten. I am keeping track of any changes made to either version, so any additions you make to this page will continue to be included in the final product. :) FFLaguna (talk) 07:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Translation status: ~30% and rising! The English translation is now up to 1400 words. For reference, the current version of the english article only has 871 words total! There is still a ton to translate. I wish I could give myself a break and work on the structure of the page first, but as I'm going through the Korean article line-by-line I'm beginning to notice how haphazardly the Korean contributers mashed the article together. In the telling of Jeon's life up until his Presidency, many exact dates are missing and a number of things are out of order or slightly nonfactual... not to mention that a lot of important parts of the story are missing! This is turning into a huge project, but progress is continuing steadily. I'll keep posting updates here so you'll know I'm not side-tracked. FFLaguna (talk) 21:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Korean-to-English translation just passed the 2100-word mark. ;) It slowed down because I've been busy all afternoon and evening. FFLaguna (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * More important than the translation itself is to find citations for all that unsourced material. Only 15 footnotes in a thousands of words article is extremely thin. cab (talk) 00:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Korean page has over 60 citations, and I've been keeping the links associated with the relevant parts of the English translations. An annoying part is going to be checking each link to make sure that 1) the URL is valid, 2) it's relevant to what it's referencing, and 3) it's actually a reputable source. There are already large swaths of the Korean article that are in desperate need of citations, however, so we will be out searching for more. FFLaguna (talk) 00:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake, I didn't see they are using one of those fixed-height scrolling sections for the references, so I only saw the first 15. cab (talk) 00:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Translation is at the 2450-word mark. You can see the translation as of this timestamp at User:FFLaguna/Chun_Doo-hwan_Translation01. Do not try to use the translation for anything and do not try to fix things on it. It's a work in progress and we can't begin work on planning the new layout until the translation is complete and we have all the information compiled in an easy-to-read english format. The translation WIP that I posted here is in paragraph format, but the actual Word document I'm working from has each sentence/bite-size piece of information on its own bullet line for easy mixing and matching when it comes down to fixing the layout. I'll keep you updated. FFLaguna (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As of this moment, the translation is standing at 2900 words, and I am definitely past the 2/3 point. Phew! The end is almost in sight! This is a lot of work. ;)  FFLaguna (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I got really bored translating, so I've stopped at the 3900-word mark in order to switch gears and work on the layout/structure of the new article. I need a break from translating, and I'm finally at the point where I have all the info I need to set up the new article layout. I'll be posting the new article with massive amounts of new material within a few hours! FFLaguna (talk) 16:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Help improve the article! (30 OCT 09)
I'm currently in the process of doing a massive rewrite of the entire article, based on the inclusion of a ton of translated material from the Korean page. FFLaguna (talk) 09:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Here are some things that you guys can help me out with while I'm doing the translation. Please don't make any sweeping changes to the article itself, as the article is currently in the process of being completely redesigned. Your help in improving this article is GREATLY appreciated!! Post sources and information that you find below:

Role of "Security Command"?

 * Chun's military position at the time prior to Park Jeong-hee's assassination was "commander of Security Command". We need to find out a little more about "Security Command" (보안사령부, commonly abbreviated 보안사), such as the organization's role and how it related to torture of political opponents during Park's era, the defense of the city of Seoul, and the greater Korean military in general. Finding out about its relation to torture of political opponents during Park's era is the most important topic for us to get more information on.  FFLaguna (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Details on "Joint Investigation Headquarters"?

 * After Park Jeong-hee was assassinated, Security Command was given a secondary name and mission, called "Joint Investigation Headquarters" (합동수사본부, abbreviated 합수부), tasked with investigation the truth surrounding Park's mysterious assassination. The unit was extremely powerful due to its role. How did the JIH fit into the military structure of the martial law that was declared soon after the President's death? What else do we know about how powerful the JIH was? How were relations between Chun Doo-hwan and Jeong Seung-hwa, Korean Army Chief of Staff? (whom Chun ordered arrested 2 months later)  FFLaguna (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Public rationale for the May 1980 martial law declaration?

 * During the week of the May 18th, 1980 Kwangju Democratization Movement incident, Chun declared martial law, claiming the greatly expanded military crackdown was due to North Korean communists infiltrating the country. Chun almost certainly made up this false excuse, so what other information can we find about this martial law declaration?  FFLaguna (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Was there a counter-coup against Chun in late 1979/early 1980?

 * In the historical drama "The Fifth Republic", which details Chun's rise to power and his subsequent presidency, there is a counter-coup initiated against Chun after his 12 December 1979 coup. It's possible the drama added it to fill in blank parts of stuff that "probably, but not for sure" happened, but at the same time the drama is well known for its historical accuracy. What can we find regarding any counter-coup that was started against Chun?  FFLaguna (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Details on assassination attempt against Chun?

 * On 9 October 1983, North Korean operatives attempted to assassinate Chun while on a visit to Myanmar. More than 80 diplomats and government officials were killed in the bomb blast, including several senior cabinet officials. The Korean page has only one source and very little information on this incident. Let's get more information and many more sources for this bombing! This is definitely a well-documented news incident so this one should be easy.  FFLaguna (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Outline structure/page layout (31 OCT 09)
I've posted the rough draft of how I think the outline structure should go. Please don't edit the main article page while the "major edit" tag is up, but please do put any suggestions/changes on this talk page. I tried to follow the format on a few major articles (Nikita_Khrushchev, Ban Ki-moon, etc.) to try to lay the article out in a logical manner. I am looking for suggestions! ;) FFLaguna (talk) 19:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A quick note: I'm not sure exactly how to lay out the page starting from "The End of the Fifth Republic". I tried to come up with something, but it's likely to change. The part of the article above that point is not likely to change significantly in headers/layout. FFLaguna (talk) 20:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

One-star General vs. Brigadier General
For simplicity's sake, I've taken to naming general ranks in this article based on how many stars they have. For example, I choose "Two-star General Chun" over "Major General Chun". What are your thoughts? FFLaguna (talk) 21:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The more I use the "one-star general" convention, the sillier it looks. I'll likely switch to using the actual rank names instead of the number of stars. FFLaguna (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Roh Tae-woo information missing
There is a subheading in the article for information on some guy called Roh Tae-woo but no-one's put any info under it yet, it just reads 'Basic info about Roh Tae-woo's presidency.' like someone meant to come back with the info later. Someone might want to do something about that. Obviously a work in progress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.138.25 (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Note Transition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ministry_of_National_Defense_(Republic_of_Korea) see talk can't cut with phone Samsung Galaxy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.71.111 (talk) 01:25, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

NPOV
I tagged this article NPOV due to what I see as multiple instances in where it appears that editors who don't really like Chun had inserted their personal opinions into the article, and overall the whole article slants negative and tries to condemn his rule without really going into too much detail about his policies. For example, there is a sentence that simply says, "Chun's rule was authoritarian and barbaric." This article needs a good going over to ensure it properly covers it subject in a neutral, encyclopedic manner. 69.14.38.40 (talk) 04:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Chun was dictator in South Korea, because of there is nothing wrong with word "authoritarian". NPOV isn't Political correctness. Thank you. --Idh0854 (talk) 11:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sentencing Kim Dae-jung
Is it quite accurate to claim in the lead that "Chun himself" sentenced Kim Dae-jung to death? Was Kim's sentencing not decided by a judge? 2001:558:6045:1D:30BE:51B7:3A69:C863 (talk) 03:20, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Where is he now?
I came here wondering where he is now. In prison? Relaxing at home? If it's in the article somewhere I missed it.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "On 22 December 1997, Chun's life imprisonment sentence was commuted by President Kim Young-sam, on the advice of incoming President Kim Dae-jung."


 * Chun is in his house in Yeonhui-dong. --Bluemersen (talk) 05:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Re-assessing this article
This article appears to have outgrown its previous assessment. It would appear to exceed the status of a start-class article. I believe it is time for this article to be re-assessed.SecretName101 (talk) 09:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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