Talk:Church grim

Devil's Bridge - location of Kilgrim Bridge
This page suggests the location of the Kilgrim Bridge is or was "East Witton ... near Middleham", but the source for that is John Bartholomew's Gazetteer of the British Isles (1887). There seems to be nothing pertaining at either of those two articles. This article currently says: "Ever since then the site has been known as Kilgrim Bridge", with the source: Gutch, Eliza (1901). County Folk-Lore (Vol. 2). London: David Nutt. p. 19. But I'm not sure such a claim is justified based on a 1901 source? Does anyone have a better or more recent source for the location or for the continued use of the name? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:24, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It did undergo a slight name change since then so I edited accordingly. Let me know if it could use further improvement. Cerdic (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Cerdic. I think that's a real improvement. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced claim
The article claims, "It is also connected with a creature called the 'natteramm' in Scanian or, in English, 'night raven'," and cites Kvideland & Sehmsdorf 247 for this sentence. I've obtained a copy of Kvideland and the cited source says nothing about this creature. In fact, the only mention of the church grim on this page is a note that the "guardian spirit of the church--the church nisse or tomte...is to be distinguished from the 'church grim'--the revenant of an animal buried alive in the church's foundation [which] also has a protective function". I have also failed to find any mention of the "natteramm" anywhere online that is not clearly bot-scraped from this very page. Barring a new source, I think this line should probably be removed from the article. 198.91.53.226 (talk) 00:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've found another unsourced claim, the final line of the first paragraph. Having checked the book referenced as the source (available on the internet archive), it doesn't appear to include this information on modern references to dogs as church grims anywhere. I couldn't find another source for this information either and think it is another part that should be removed. Additionally, the book is referenced incorrectly as it was published in 2015 not 2005. Gr3yheronnn (talk) 22:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)